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I think this should be at 24 (TV show). Isn't that how it's usually done in Wikipedia? Tuf-Kat
What network carries the show in Australia?
The Seven Network
From the article:
I'm not sure I agree with that. I'm a professional software engineer, and some of computer jargon they throw back and forth at CTU is laughable. If there aren't any objections within the next couple days, I'm going to remove this statement. • Benc • 13:17, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
Accurate enough to not make me roll my eyes when I watch it. ;-) Seriously, point taken. What's the best wording for a statement to the effect of: "24 is accurate for a TV show, but still contains many inaccuracies and artistic exaggerations"? • Benc • 18:12, 31 Aug 2004 (UTC)
That section made me cringe when I read it. Defiantly needs to be changed! Adventuresofthestarkiller 06:26, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I'd also add that the mention of the Mac vs. PC debate is nonsense. In later seasons, if not Series 1, CTU are clearly using Dell servers and I'm sure some of the bad guys also use Macs.
The show uses real jargon, but the terms are used incorrectly. If you don't listen closely, it sounds good, but often the sentences don't make sense.
When, in the first 'hour', Kim's parents talk about having given her a password for her email to show her they trusted her, I thought it was an 'old' series (mid nineties maybe). But it turns out it's from 2001. For that timeframe this is laughable. What about webmail at the internet cafe across the street? Keep the 'nice' mail for the account your parents can see and use the webmail for your real email. Of course, that wouldn't stop Jack (given his job), but that just makes the 'trust' bit more laughable. DirkvdM 18:48, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
Another thing that I find strange is that they couldn't trace the cellphone (that the captive mother and daughter got hold of) when it wasn't being used. I thought that a cellphone always gives off a signal as long as it is not turned off and can thus always be traced. DirkvdM 08:11, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
I remember FOX touting 24 as being in "real time" over the first two seasons...the third was vague, and the fourth definitely not in "real time". Although the hours were different, I always looked forward to seeing how many seconds off their clock was to mine. Maybe we should make this distinction?
Tygar 06:48, Jan 31, 2005 (UTC)
I remember on the earlier seasons, they always said "Events occur in real time" after they say "The follwing takes place between..."
Although I also remember the claim, none of the seasons have ever been in truly accurate "real time". Fox has always been forced to snip seconds out here and there. Even assuming that there were no advertisements before or after the show, a real time one-hour episode could not share a one-hour time slot with the "Previously on 24" intro and the previews for the next episode. At best, the episode (including inter-act ads) probably has to fit within something like 55 minutes. -- Plutor 18:59, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
I think it's around 2 minutes off, because they have to have the closing the commercials that can'y cut into the News after. FD2 23:59, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
I've just started watching on BBC and I've only seen the first two episodes (the first '4 hours'). But I presume the rest is the same. The first episode lasted 1 hour 22 minutes (with introduction) and the second one 1 hour 20 minutes (without the 'previously on...'). So 1 hour is really 40 minutes, not 44 minutes as the article says. Also it's a bit strange to start with the advertising breaks and then say that if you leave those out it doesn't fit. Advertising is not part of the show and it's not normal everywhere, like on the BBC which doesn't have any but also on other public stations, which don't have any in the middle of shows (just between them). If that's where you come from then this all sounds very odd (the first time I had to 'get' this was when I read on imdb about 2 hour Star Trek episodes - for a while I thought that maybe in Europe we get to see clipped episodes or something, although that's very unusual for Dutch stations, which almost always show uncensored full versions and director's cuts and such) So I reversed the approach. DirkvdM 18:24, 20 August 2005 (UTC)
I found out the link to that news article at the Baltimoresun site is invalid. It may be my problem, but please check :). I'm not a native speaker so please forgive my english.--61.149.126.170 18:20, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)
I really don't see why we have the recurring characters listed on this page when we have another page, List of characters in 24 where they're all listed again. Main characters is one thing, the "Recurring cast" section should be removed. K1Bond007 01:46, Apr 6, 2005 (UTC)
The season 4 section is getting very long and disorganized. I say we split it off into another article, perhaps 24 Season 4. We can leave a short summary on the main 24 article and move the rest there. Good idea? Bonus Onus
I've done some editing of the article, mostly title-changing and posting what I posted for "The Death of Jack Bauer" in the appropriate section. If I get more time, I might sit down and rewrite the whole thing, if you like. Steven Hildreth, Jr. 15:54, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
I think the entire "plot" subsection of season 4 can now be removed. It's really not needed. - James Foster 00:09, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
That must be one of the mopst blatant piece of advertisement in the hisotry of the industry.
There is a link to George mason in the cast section at the top, but the george mason page is not related to 24. Is a disambig. page necessary?
Someone else should fix this as i dont really know how it should be done properly.
--Jiphex 23:19, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Hello. I'd like to see a reference for this:
"The story originally involved an X-Filesish conspiracy thriller type plot, with Jack's own CTU agency ordering the hit on Palmer, but that aspect was scrapped, likely due to September 11th, 2001."
Anyone got one? Thanks! - James Foster 22:38, 15 August 2005 (UTC)
FACT!--B0sh 09:43, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
Does anyone have the 24 number clock image for the infobox, the pic of jack is nice, but too big for the box. Plus it would space out the article if it was put further down the page? Ablaze 07:40, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
Hi. There's a new Wiki for 24 and seeing the work you guys have done here, maybe you should have a go at editing some pages at the 24 Wiki.
The address is http://24.wikicities.com/wiki/Main_Page
You guys have done some great work here. keep it up!
look at Jack's profile at the official 24 website(http://www.fox.com/24/profiles/), it states: "Former Special Agent in Charge", not Director of CTU. This includes George Mason, Jack Bauer, Tony Almeida and the others who held the position.
Anyone know why this section was removed? -- Chuq 01:24, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Looks like possible vandalism. The same person changed the phone number in that section to all 5's just 5 minutes before deleting it. I think you should put it back in, if you like. - James Foster 14:22, 27 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Doesn't it seem like this article portrays Season 4 in a far more negative light relative to other seasons, it being the only one with a paragraph devoted entirely to criticism. In my general discussions, Season 3 seems to be by far the most criticized and least-liked, and is certainly far more disjointed than Season 4
This bit needs a better explanation: "decided to implement a year-round schedule, and aired the entire season, without any hiatuses, over 19 weeks". Readers in the UK, for example, don't know what this means. Are US tv series not shown from start to finish on a weekly basis? Why not, and what is shown during hiatuses? -- Tarquin 12:12, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
There needs to be some mention of this. [1], [2]
I notice in the history that the Fan Phone number has been changed multiple times to multiple different numbers. Can anyone verify the actual phone number that appeared in the said episode? - Seandals 09:45, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
After some searching, I found the correct number to be 310-597-3781. I have made the nessicarry change. - Seandals 09:49, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
In addition to the above comments on how the show couldn't be exactly real-time, did anyone else notice in the very first episode of Season 1 that the bomb on the plane seemed to suffer from James Bond syndrome? (ie. if the camera cut away and cut back, there was no correlation between the amount of time the clock had counted down and the time the camera spent looking elsewhere) Confusing Manifestation 12:35, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
Please add that German broadcaster is RTL 2. Thank you.
I would consider this article on 24 [TV Series] to meet Wikipedia's standard for a good article. Please help me by either agreeing or disagreeing, and stating why you chose your position.
From the article (2.5 Future Seasons):
Is this objective? I don't think you should be making assumptions, possibly starting rumors with a comment like that. I figured I should post about it before I edit. PhoenixAvatar2 02:06, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
p: Hi, im not familiar with editing Wikipedia-discussion-thereads, I hope it is OK if I just try to comment like this (if not, pls. redirect my comment): I'm shocked that the whole article is not taking up the very important debate about torture in 24. This is a serious threat to democracy, so taking it up is the duty of any critical media. I propose that at least the following link is taken in: http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1682760,00.htmlIt is a comment on the problem by the philosopher Zizek in the big british liberal newspaper Guardian. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 84.59.27.214 (talk • contribs) February 2, 2006.
Torture is a serious topic and only because a series made by fox issues it to push their right-wing agenda, this doesn`t mean there should be NO reference about it in this article. Torture is not normal or in any way legal so this is a heavy statement by the writers. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Primzahl13 (talk • contribs) February 19, 2006.
I agree with the article statement that 24 technology depiction is more accurate than many other fictional shows, especially regarding information technology (IT). I've worked in the IT field for 30 years, and while 24 isn't perfect and takes significant dramatic license, it's the best fictional show I've seen regarding computer technology.
Beyond this, 24 is the one of best shows at presenting the collaborative, IT-centric nature of modern intelligence work. It's further more accurate since it typically depicts all CTU operatives as being computer literate, if not experts.
This contrasts sharply with other shows and movies. James Bond is essentially a computer illiterate. To Bond, Q gadgets are opaque magic boxes he understands little more than an aborigine would. On Alias, Sydney Bristow relies on tech guru Marshall for most computer stuff. How many times have you heard a character on Alias say "send me an email on that"? Essentially never. On all other "spy" shows, if IT is not directly relevant to the plot, it's simply unmentioned. In their world, servers never crash, networks never fail, there's never contention for any IT resource -- it's just magical. On other shows you'll never hear a character even say the word "software" unless it's directly pertinent to the plot.
This is bad since a large fraction of today's audience is computer literate, if not working in/with IT. This isn't 30 years ago when a few jargon words would satisfy 99% of the audience. On other shows when IT isn't realistically depicted, and especially when the main characters are uncomfortable or unfamiliar with IT, this strains believability. It's as if on a cop show the characters are unfamiliar with guns.
By contrast on 24, most characters are computer literate and comfortable in today's IT centric world. On 24 information technology is presented as a fine-grained, natural part of the work environment. It doesn't always work perfectly. There is contention for network resources.
On other shows it seems IT is alien and unfamiliar to the writers, directors, and producers. This filters through to the show characters who are likewise not totally comfortable with IT, and in show settings where IT is pure window dressing, not deeply integrated into the show. They have some fancy flat screen displays in the briefing room, and that's all.
True 24 sometimes takes such dramatic license with computer-related technology it's absurd. A notable example was the "Dobson override" in season 4, where a nuclear reactor could be remotely taken over and forced to melt down. That's idiotic, as control systems on current reactors were designed before the digital era, and are hard wired analog or electromechanical controls.
However those gaffes are infrequent relative to other shows. Looking at the big picture, I can't think of another popular fictional show that more accurately depicts technology in general, and in particular IT and the modern IT-centric workplace. Therefore the article statement about 24's technical accuracy relative to other shows seems appropriate. Joema 22:01, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
Comparing the official Fox character bios of 24 to character bios from other shows illustrates 24 is much more realistic at portraying computer technology. None of the Alias characters have significant computer experience. By contrast, several of the 24 characters have extensive computer experience. That may seem like a small thing, but it shows how computer technology is foreign to the writers, directors and producers of other shows besides 24. They are computer illiterate, so their characters are also. Joema 13:44, 2 January 2006 (UTC)
I love 24, but as a 20 year IT veteran it's almost physically painful to hear them talk about computers. They depict the ROLE computers play very accurately, but the terminology they use is nothing but a few buzzwords endlessly repeated and strung together at random. "Get me a protocol TCP partition on the data protocol array and protocol tunnel my subprocessor protocols. Protocol, protocol protocol, pro, to, col. Protocol."...yeesh.
And the absurd screen layouts with 20 transparent windows piled up...only a raging teen nerd boy would do that, not serious professionals.
2. There is no way to switch optical scanner to magnetic scannner
The season 1 description really should mention that the whole thing was a revenge plot. That was the motivation behind everything that happened.
I also remember Season 1 beginning in Seoul, not Kuala Lumpur. Anyone have access to the DVD? Go check this. 134.114.59.41 20:27, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
I think Season 1 did begin in Kuala Lumpur. Season 2 began in Seoul. Cubs Fan 03:39, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I just checked it and Season 1 did begin in Kuala Lumpur and Season 2 began in Seoul. tv316 13:18, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
I have marked this article for cleanup. Here is a list of the things that I see need improvement:
If you have anything to add please do so. Jtrost 17:43, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
It isn't made clear in the season 5 summary (paragraph 2) of who derak is. Can someone with better writing skills than me edit in the fact that Derak is the son of "Frank Flynn's" girlfriend. It'd make more sense than to just throw a random new name out there. --Lightdarkness 18:48, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Looks perfect 64.252.140.63! --Lightdarkness 23:31, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
The events that happened in season four obviously have a huge effect in season five. We need more infomation about it so than the season five summrary can be accurate.
Dposse 19:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
The Fox website says that she is his girlfriend
If the cast list has so many inactive characters. I think some should be deleted, or maybe just list the season regulars there.
I suggest that Sarah Gavin, Erin Driscoll and James Heller should be deleted from the list. Since they are not season regular actually.
I prefer the title 24 (TV series). This seems to be the emerging consensus on WP, at least among shows that I like: Nowhere Man (TV series), House (TV series). It's the most descriptive and concise title. "Television" alone only gives the context of the article name, but "TV series" tells exactly what the name is. "TV series" is better than "TV show" because series implies a string of episodes. — Shadowhillway 00:07, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I moved the page. Does anyone know if there is a both that can get rid of the double redirects? Jtrost 20:56, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
I've added another cleanup bullet to this article, because it's becoming clear to me that if it isn't a problem now, it will be soon: a duplicate effort is being waged to describe and list 24 seasons, and their episodes within. The article List of 24 episodes, while incomplete, has a framework incorporating all five seasons into it, and there are now also articles called 24 (season 1) and so on, which have in-depth descriptions of a given season, and it probably will end up having individual episode listings as well.
In my opinion, these articles' content should be merged (probably into the 5 season breakdown articles) as soon as practical, to avoid people duplicating the effort of describing individual episodes, air dates, etc. Skybunny 01:57, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
I assume this is a typo and that season 2 didn't come out on DVD before season 1. I don't know the correct dates, or I'd fix it. --Proudhug 19:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
I don't know about other countrys under region 4, but in Australia, we didn't get ALL of season 4 until the 25th of January 2006, the first half was released a few months eairler, but the rest wasn't until the 25th --210.49.90.25 12:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Is there a place for goofs/inconsistancies? I posted the following on Jan 31 2006, but it was shortly removed from the triva section.
In Episode 1.5, when David Palmer walks into his son's room the countdown clock states the time as 4:40 AM, while the bedside clock says 4:57.
anon: that might be irrelevant as if you ask any random strangers on the street for the time, I doubt you'd get the exact same answer from everybody.
I'm quite interested in doing full episode guides starting with season 1. I would write them not as episode summaries but as full episode portraits. Would that take up too much space do you think?Mattara 19:51 1/2 2006 GMT + 1
I'll start looking for screenshots on each episodes Mattara 12:16, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
wouldn't it be a good idea to have pictures with each of the season summary pages? I mean, pictures from the season in the season summary article. It would help to make the pages look better, don't you think?
I would do it, but i'm not too clear on the copyright limitations here on Wikipedia.
Dposse 19:35, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
HEY!!!!!!!! Is anyone going to answer this?? dposse 01:48, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
I know I'm not doing this right, still new a WikiEditing but anyways... the 24/CTU character box is only on some pages and it's poorly organized and doesn't have all the characters. ---- Helgunn
I posted this item right after "technology":
Featured Weapons-Jack's personal handgun is a H&K USP Compact (Heckler & Koch Universal Self-loading Pistol). Jack wears Second Chance brand body armor (bulletproof vest).
and it was removed. This is correct information with links. I am new at Wikipedia, can someone tell me where I went wrong?
Well, I'm certain Jack has used many other handguns than the USP, and I'm pretty sure that in 7.5 years he's used more than one brand of body armor as well. If you look closely throughout the series at Jack's guns, you'll see a wide variety of pistols.--Seven11groove 11:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't remember anything about season 1 or 2, but in 3, 4 and 5, all of the "main evil masterminds" have a British or a received pronunciation ("university/lecture british english", or whatever :p) English. 3rd has an obvious Britishman, the fourth has one too, because he lived most of his life in UK, and in the 5th, the guy who monitors everything on a big screen and uses his cell speaks BrE, too. Do 1 and 2 have the same? What are they trying to imply? --84.249.252.211 23:46, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Both the IDW Publishing [3] and Titan Books [4] (the US and UK publishers respctively) point to the general page. I am chasing up some of these missing entries when, as is the case here, I haven't actually read them in the hope someone who has will get the ball rolling. (Emperor 20:02, 16 February 2006 (UTC))
It has been suggested the comics entry be merged with this one - I don't really see the point. That entry does need expanding but has as much potential to make a good standalone entry as sy the 24 computer game or other spinoffs. (Emperor 02:12, 8 March 2006 (UTC))
Right - I've written up a 24: One Shot page and as such slightly edited the comics entry. What are people's views on a main page to tie the three graphic novel pages versus a simple link to each one within the subsection. Sheriff Hall 20:37, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
what does "In Episode 4.5" mean? Can't we put something better than that there? dposse 22:35, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
alright, but some people might see it as "episode four and a half". dposse 00:12, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
no. people usually don't care about the production code. dposse 20:21, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
It doesn't matter. As authors of an Encyclopedia, we have a duty to have our infomation understandable to everyone, not just people who understand "common ways to refrence episodes", or production codes. dposse 16:44, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
That has already been done. ^_^ dposse 03:27, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
I hid the ratings section because it held no infomation, and because Tv ratings is something that isn't available to the public. If you find ratings for the seasons, then go ahead and unhide it.
if you have a problem with this, discuss it here.
dposse 21:02, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
Ok. That's probably a good idea. dposse 21:33, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
From the "24: The Movie" section:
"It should be noted that the film would be a two-hour representation of a 24-hour day, not an actual 24-hour-long film as this would be financially straining on production and impossible to show in theaters."
Is it really necessary to state precisely why the 24 film will not be twenty-four hours long? Even though this is an encyclopedia, a statement like this borders on redundancy. I propose that this sentence be removed in order to streamline the wording and flow of the section. ccromwell 20:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/6409/whoisthisok5.jpgDoes anyone know who this is? He's in the second episode of season 6.
edit: nevermind. found him
72.83.127.21 03:42, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know how many seasons they are making (or atleast contracted to make?). Would be useful information if someone who knows can put it up.00:20, 20 August 2006 (UTC)~
While there is a lot of emphasis in the article on the real-time nature of the show, there is little said about the almost constant suspense and non-stop action. To me, it's not the "real-time" nature that makes it so different, it's the non-stop suspense and action. Within minutes in the first episode of the first season, the viewer is introduce to several suspenseful issues. And it remains so throughout. It's relentless. As soon as one issue is resolved, another is created. It seems like this should be pointed out in the article; not sure where. --Serge 04:32, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Image:24tv.jpg
I added this image to the infobox, it's the title card for 24. It was removed by Jtrost, so I'm posting it here for discussion and group consensus.
Here's the page before it was reverted by Jtrost: http:https://www.search.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=24_%28TV_series%29&oldid=42699437
24 has been on for five seasons now and like most shows the title card is the only constant in the series, that's why I think it's more appropriate then an image of Jack Bauer from season 5 chosen to represent an entire series with a large ensemble cast that has been on the air for five years. Most shows use a title card: ER, CSI: Miami, Law and Order, it adds semblance to Wikipedia. The picture of Jack Bauer could be added to the article where it makes more sense. HeyNow10029 04:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
The logo is better.Luke 18:59, 15 March 2006 (UTC)--Luke
Thank you for discussing this on the talk page. It would be a good idea to do this with every infobox image you intend to change. Jtrost (T | C | #) 22:35, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Can someone please give a source for all of the character's ages in the infobox? I used the House Special Subcommittee Findings at CTU book for a source for one character, Kim Bauer, and Jtrost has continued to revert my changes. There is no information in the official 24 web site, nor in any official 24 canon books I have read about specific character's ages in the fifth season. (Nor are character's ages mentioned in the show's dialogue except perhaps if they are planning for a birthday.) If this is the case then we need to delete the age line in the infobox as it is unsourced and thus irrelevant. Calwatch 03:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm just going to comment out the infobox with the "age" listing. Leaving a blank line serves no purpose at this point. Calwatch 21:13, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
To quote..."Jack Bauer, David Palmer, Tony Almeida, and Secret Service Agent Aaron Pierce are the only characters to appear in all five seasons of the series."What about Mike Novick? Does he not appear in all 5 seasons?80.176.191.231 12:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)Notauser
Considering the additional information we have on him from the game and the significance of his role I think he deserves his own page and a place in the "Others" category in the infobox. After all, we have more information on him than James Nathanson and he has a page.
I created the character infoboxes, modeling them after the James Bond character infoboxes. That is why dead villains are listed as Terminated instead of Deceased. In the military, when enemy personnel are killed, they are terminated. So people need to stop changing it, it only makes them look like an ass that changes things for the sake of changing. Simon Beavis
These are poeple, not machines.Luke 18:57, 15 March 2006 (UTC)--Luke
Regardless of whether or not the military uses the term to describe enemy deaths, terminated is not the appropriate status for the infobox. The Counterterrorist Unit is NOT a branch of the United States military - it is a division of the Central Intelligence Agency. The CIA and other government angencies use the term "deceased" in dealing with the deaths of all individuals, whether terrorists or agents. Anyone who has watched the show could have observed this.
Your rationale is pure stupidity. Consistency, as others have said, and accuracy are very important. Who cares if you created the infobox? You look like an ass for being so dogmatic about the "Terminated" status when it's PATENTLY OBVIOUS that deceased is the proper word. - 68.32.34.152 01:46, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
Has anyone here actually read the Five pillars? Wikipedia is committed to something called the NEUTRAL POINT OF VIEW (pillar 2). In keeping with the NEUTRAL POINT OF VIEW, we should have standard, consistent terms - "Deceased." By classifying a villain as "Terminated," there is no longer neutrality as it is taking the point of view of the U.S. Armed Services. While 68.32.34.152 might have a point about the CIA's use of the term, taking the point of view of the CIA is also not neutral.
The best neutral, consistent term is DECEASED. Terminated is too biased and from a U.S. MILITARY (not neutral) point of view. - Paulus89 19:48, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
I say if anything, go with what the creators of 24 have chosen, and they clearly display "DECEASED" on the profiles. It makes sense to me to go with what they say, even if this is such a miniscule aspect. However, the whole neutrality thing kind of pushed me into this. IMO, it's not about "adapting" to either the U.S. Military or the CIA, but to choose what the creators intended it to be. Jondy 02:39, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the VCast-Only 24:Conspiracy put out by Fox, the 24 minute long spin off that takes place at D.C. CTU? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0449543/
Would anyone object to me archiving sections on the talk page with no comments since 2005? Just to keep things nice and tidy. If there are no objects in a day or so, I'll go ahead and archive. It can always be reversed :D --lightdarkness (talk) 14:10, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Maybe they're saying SenTox on the show, but I'm sure that they're saying SynTox (as in Synthetic Toxin). It's a small problem, but I thought I should bring it up.
Syntox is the correct spelling.Luke 19:56, 19 March 2006 (UTC)--Luke
Although this article says SynTox, the 24 website hosted by FOX spells it as Sentox (http://www.fox.com/24/episodes/3pm.htm look under 3:20PM). Plus, Wikipedia character profiles that use the name of the nerve gas spell it as Sentox. I'm going to change it.
--Borisborf 01:08, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Okay, yeah, the 24 website has it listed as Sentox, but it really doesn't sound like that on the show. Just leave it as Sentox, it seems to be official.
The top of the article isn't the right place to link to the game, soundtrack, and mobile phone spinoff. There should be a section called "24 in other Media" that describes the game, soundtrack, mobile phone, books, graphic novels, and possible movie.
I decided to make the edits. It's still a bit ugly, but hopefully, someone could fix it. I also took the disambiguation from the top. I don't think it's warrented since it only connects to other 24-related articles which links could be found from within the article itself.
This article has too many images. Having pictuers all the way down the side is cluttering, sloppy, and confusing. --Hetar 01:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
>>Season 1 begins each episode with Kiefer Sutherland reciting this line, followed by, "on the day of the California Presidential Primary." The importance of this episode introduction can be understood below in season one's synopsis.
This is in the article and probably refers to the long intro 'This is the longest day of my life', and 'I don't know who to trust' lines in the intro that changed a few times in Season 1... but the line isn't there - so someone should probably amend that ^^ quote in the article.
I am marking this article for cleanup (again). A couple months ago we had it in pretty good shape, however recently a lot of fancruft and other nonsense has been added. I've been doing some general cleanup, but my edits are quickly reverted. Here are things I think we should do to make this article looks better:
Remember, more is not better. Let's start deleting unnecessary information from this article and make it encyclopedic once again. Jtrost (T | C | #) 21:14, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
What are other people's opinions on the separate page for Cubby, Tony's mug - linked from this article in the General trivia section. I want to get some consensus before I protect the Cubby page as the re-direct to this page. -- Chuq 22:48, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
I`m not understanding why someone keep putting Carlos Bernard as a part of the ACTIVE main cast, since he is gone and isn`t a part of the cast anymore. This way we can put all past cast, since ACTIVE main cast appearently isn`t for just ACTIVE actors.--Rockdolly 10 April 2006 21:18
Should the game be listed in the seasons of 24 between seasons 2 and 3? While it didn't air, one could make the argument that it is a season of 24, what with it being a new story that takes place over 24 hours. I'm not going to change anything, or even start a vote, but I'm just wondering what other people think about this.Eric Sieck 02:46, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
It be too hard to do that, because we now have so many other "inbetweenwquels" in the 24-Universe. Currently, we have 4 books (1 on the way), 3 comics, 2 DVD prequels, 1 video game, and potentially 1-3 movies. To mark The Game as "2.5" would cause trouble organinzing all these other stories . . .
Does any 1 agree with me on the theory that a "Main Enemy" exists on the show? I think there is a secret society or something that calls all the shots but Super Jack Bauer just keeps foiling thier plans. Disagree with me?
o.k. then answer these ?'s for me.
1)who was the man on the boat in the end of season 2.2)how did Henderson or whoever know that Jack was still alive.
Since the show will be on for at least another 3 seasons we will see won't we. I think we should start a theory page.
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There's going to be a movie of 24. Shots take place in London. Someone, please, take some action and start editing lol! --nlitement [talk] 21:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Hold on a moment: If Shooting is supposed to start in "one year and one days time" then wouldn't the soonest for it to be released be between seasons 7 & 8 (if they happen) because one year from NOW, it will BE the Day 6-7 Hiatus, as the article right now claims it'll be released?
Apologies if this has been covered before, but Season 1 can't be in 2002 as there was no Presidential election in 2002. Presidential elections always occur on a leap year. 2002 was not a leap year, but 2000 and 2004 are. If we hold that "24" started post 9-11, then the first year possible would be 2004. If we remove that constraint, it seems as if 2000 would be a more likely starting year.
I think that's farily weak reasoning there - the simple fact that there was no Presidential election in 2002 should outweigh a "nearly 20 year" reference. I simply can't believe that the "24 Universe" would suddenly move Presidential elections to the off year elections. More likely explanation is that Aaron's comment was either 1) imprecise or 2) slipped through the edting process. Fingolfen 20:17, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
In the past seasons the creators have said that the Election years are a bit off, which is fine to accept, since this is the 24-Universe and not real life.
I don't think all these CTU agents merit their own articles, and I'm hesitant to return to my merge ways. I think we should use the power of the wikia to our advantage and usher people there. — Deckiller 18:54, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
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The season 5 synopses on the main page was great and now its long an not very good. The synopses is only supposed to talk about what the season is about, not to spoil the entire thing. I suggest that we bring back the old synopses
The previous synopsis had no actual content and held many bland statements (ie "Many sacrifices were made and people were killed). It was changed to a more lengthy one and has now been shortened. The new version holds more weight and actual content related to the story.
At the top of the page it says the movie is planned for 2008. However the headline about the Movie says "between season 6 and 7". Between season 6 and 7 is the year 2007 not 2008. Needs to be fixed?
I agree. It should probably say between seasons 7 & 8 (if they do Eight Days, I mean.)
One of the things I love about Wikipedia is how thorough the trivia sections can grow to be. For 24, I once made a trivia edit, citing this [5] as the MacGuffin in season 4. The problem is that it (and other trivia?) got wiped out, possibly when the seasons were given their own sections. This wouldn't be a problem if it was only moved from the main article to the season 4 page, but it wasn't. While I could take some time and dig through the history to find what I wrote and restore it under season 4 trivia (and may do just that), my concern is that it would only be deleted again. I didn't consider the entry inapropriate (certainly not compared to other trivia), I wasn't trying to plug MacWorld or Wiebetech, so why was this (and other?) info deleted?
shouldnt there be some mention that 24 was initially intended to be a docu-drama illustrating the need for a well organised counter terrorist force. This was said by Joel Surnow and Robert Ccochrane on a featurette on the season 2 dvd set, where it was also mentioned that 24 was initially meant to run only for one season howver due to high ratings internationally, particularly the uk, it was brought back for subsequent seasons.
I added a notice that the show's claim to portray events as occuring in real-time was abandoned after the second season. The show itself (editing and chronology) didn't change, only the claim was retracted. Any comments or corrections?
How Logan felt he was "doing the right thing" for the country was explained in one fast line that was hard to follow -- when I asked other 24 viewers to explain, they didn't quite get it either. I know it had something to do with oil and the treaty with the Russians -- but no one has been able to succinctly explain what this was all about. Seeing as how it was the major arc of the whole season, I find this a bit problematic. That said, the show was unbelievably exciting this year.
Agreed, exciting but not without flaws.See, I think Logan's problem started when Palmer came in. Palmer wasn't overambitiouus, Logan was.
Hey, do you guys want to change the cast list so it looks like this (just until winter):
--154.20.217.225 19:49, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
Someone needs to provide a source for saying that Preproduction has begun or that sentence will be removed. dposse 23:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
As a 24 fan and a Star Trek fan, I feel it necessary to point out that they have shared quite a few actors. The actor who plays Aaron Pierce also plays a bridge officer on the enterprise in "Peak Performance" (TNG 2x24). Penny Johnson Jerald plays Kassidy Yates in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine as well as sherry palmer in 24. Gregory Itzin (Logan) has been quite prolific on Star Trek, playing 5 different roles on different series. Michelle Forbes played Ensign Ro Laren on Star Trek: The Next Generation as well as Lynn on 24. I'm sure there are more commonalities that I haven't spotted, but this is extremely interesting. Surely worth being added to the page...
any ideas?
Microtech Hallo III.- Knife
Actually it's a H.A.L.O (High Altitude Low Opening) II OTF (Out The Front) autoknife.sources: Official 24 site at Fox Network and Wiki 24
H.al.o 3. .source Jack Bauer in one of the epizodes :)71.99.113.164
Also I've found that the russian sub (Natalia k524, Delta IV class), introduced in day 5, ep22 4am-5am, it's an american one: the USS Topeka (ssn-754) Los Angeles class. It's based on Pearl Harbor and was comissioned on 21/10/1989Meanwhile, there is a "Delta IV class" (NATO code name). It's the 667BDRM Delta IV class, it carries 16 non-nuclear R-29RM MIRVed missiles, Henderson calls them "Scorpion land attack missile", and said they're non-nuclear, carry multiple warheads (MIRV), but he counts 12 instead of the standard 16 payload of a D-9RM launch system.However, is does exist a russian "Scorpion" (NATO code name; USA code name: SS-N-X 24) missile. It's a surface-surface sub-lauched, non-nuclear, cruise missile (no MIRV). The Topeka obviously couldn't carry russian weapon system, it has 12 Tomahawk cruise missiles; now, as Henderson stated.
sources: USS Topeka article at Wikipedia, fas.org, wonderland.org.nz(be gentle, it's my first edit :)
Some parts of this Tv series. Feels strongly as propaganda.
proof: sacrifising life of goverment agent for good and well being of american people.
proof2: shoot to kill. man escaping from karantene. when shooting it the leg would be enough to stop him from leaving.
proof 3 : http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/apr2005/2424-a05.shtml
: feel free to improve my edit. without reverting.
This tv series is in FACT (de facto) propaganda. there is no proof needed. it is clearly visible in any single episozode!
Well our good friend Laura Ingraham calls the show a referendum."The average american out there, loves the show 24, ok. They love Jack Bauer, they love 24. In my mind that's close to a national referendum that it's ok to use tough tactics against high level Al Qaeda operatives as we're going to get"
Does this page really need to be protected because of a single editor? I was reporting him for 3RR, but it looks like he's already been banned by the time I was done - in edit summary of protection, you made it sound like he was using multiple IPs, but I couldn't find any others doing the same edit. -Goldom ‽‽‽ ⁂ 04:16, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
There've been three so far:(cur) (last) 10:17, 28 July 2006 71.99.115.10 (Talk | block) (reverting war? it is propaganda, like it or not. proof in talk page.) (cur) (last) 00:02, 28 July 2006 71.99.111.52 (Talk | block) (proof in talk page. dont get me wrong, I do LOVE this tv series. but It is clear propaganda.)
— Deckiller 04:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
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Does anyone else notice how often they use phrases like "You're out of time," "There's no time for that," "We're running out of time," etc. I understand the whole real-time aspect of the show and the fact that they always want to build suspense. But still, the number of times they say "We're out of time" is comical. This has to be a joke with the writers or something. Thoughts?
You could also add:"patch me/him/her through""send it to my PDA"And finally, the "protocol" thing. I guess it goes for everything, and maybe there a dozen of them in every episode.It's like a running gag.
Surprised no one has been talking about this. IMDB has a listing, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0784961/releaseinfo . Other sites have images of the game, http://www.dutchguard.com/24-dvd-board-game-p-tv.html. Release date varies depending on the site-- dutchguard.com appears to have the game in stock, while other places have either August or September for the release.
The List of broadcasters keeps getting larger and larger... is it really necessary (and encyclopedic) to include this information? There are a lot of countries with television broadcasters, and the list will steadily get larger and larger until it takes over this article. I don't think it's necessary to list each and every single broadcaster for each and every country that carries this show. Just the original broadcaster (FOX) is necessary. I don't think it's necessary to say that Global carries it in Canada, or any other country's broadcaster (I single out Canada because I'm Canadian). What do you guys think? Should be remove this section? --Deathphoenix ʕ 13:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
I don't see it appearing in the trivia and maybe I dreamed it.
The serie premiere was originally supposed to air on 9/11/2001.
In addition, the slogan on the billboard was something like: "A day that you will never forget".
I remembered it because it was a REALLY spine-chilling coincidence. Can anyone confirm it though?
Supalognon 12:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
are forums proper sources for wikipedia? dposse 23:17, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
his name is spelled "graem" (http://www.tvguide.com/News-Views/Columnists/Ask-Ausiello/), ausiello is never wrong and since he talks to the people who work on 24 for scoop i think the name should be changed
I created a television forum at [6]. 24 has its own section along with all other primetime television shows. Would it be appropriate to post a link in the External Links section to the 24 area of the forum, allowing fans to go discuss this show? Same goes for other shows.
Thanks,Mike Colucci, TV-Watercooler.comTv-watercooler 02:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
I noticed on the cast lists that there is a regular cast list (which I think should just be called current cast), recurring roles, and special guest stars. Wouldn't it make more sense to have a former cast list as well, as well as edit the cast lists up now? For example, Kim Raver is under special guest stars, but she was a cast member for seasons 4 and 5. And, Jean Smart was a cast member for 5 and Gregory Itzin was a guest star for season 4 and a cast member for season 5, but both are listed as Special Guest Stars. Perhaps we could make changes to this to reflect all of their cast status over past seasons? And, hopefully that makes sense. If not, I can clarify if you want. Anakinjmt 00:05, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
This article is one of thousands on Wikipedia that have a link to YouTube in it. Based on the External links policy, most of these should probably be removed. I'm putting this message here, on this talk page, to request the regular editors take a look at the link and make sure it doesn't violate policy. In short: 1. 99% of the time YouTube should not be used as a source. 2. We must not link to material that violates someones copyright. If you are not sure if the link on this article should be removed, feel free to ask me on my talk page and I'll review it personally. Thanks. ---J.S (t|c) 06:57, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
which wang put in that Carlos Bernard would be returning as the ghost of Tony alemida. in fact i dont care who put it in just remove it
Does this article really need 32 points of triva? I feel this is a little excessive. Is it not possible to substantially edit this list down to a more reasonable length? Say a dozen entries? Some points can be incorporated into the main body of the article (such as the point about the original intention of the show) while others surely can be dropped altogether.For example is it really necessary to have a trivia entry telling us that The West Wing once made a throw away reference to 24? Or that Denis Haysbert's character got a 21 gun salute which another of his characters once did? How encyclopaedic are these points?. --Stenun 09:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
I found this http://www.forbes.com/digitalentertainment/2006/04/11/fox-24-kiefer-sutherland-cx_0411variety2.html on Forbes saying that production of 24 will continue until May 2009, but I'm unsure as to what I should put in as that is about all the information that is given.
So, i think that the order should be how they were credited. For example, in the first season, Jack Bauer comes first, then Teri, then Nina, then Kim, then Palmer. So I think the order should be that, not when they departed from the show.Tylerco113x 21:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
Jean Smart is credited as First Lady Martha Logan so I think we should keep it that way on the former cast list. Correct me if I'm wrong. Tylerco113x 21:08, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
WHY? There was no good reason to have her page redirected here, also I swear Lennox had his own page as well but now it's gone.Puppet125 16:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
I think a link to the recaps of episodes at the FOX website should be enough to satisfy that. Check out the article on Morris O'Brian to see what I mean.--T smitts 07:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)