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23 November 2009 - The data collection phase of this project is now over. If anyone in the future is contemplating starting a new phase of Mystery shopping, please review the talkpage and make sure you address the concerns expressed there. Also read the Signpost article for a brief summary of the results.

This page was created as a response to this critique of wikipedia (dead link as of July 2017; archived version: [1]), which poses two challenges: can we avoid the problem of new articles by newbies being tagged for speedy deletion within two minutes? And, can such new articles survive for 7 days?

To take up the Let's all create an extra account challenge:

  1. Create a new wikipedia account (remembering of course to inform Arbcom per Wikipedia:Sock puppetry#Legitimate uses by emailing arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org)
  2. Write an article that doesn't meet the deletion criteria
  3. After seven days add it to this page by creating a row in the results table.
  4. Create a subpage to this page in your user name and transclude it here whilst discussions are ongoing
  5. When you are ready to unveil your article notify all involved parties of this page, but please take care to be as discreet and gentle as possible when informing fellow editors of any mistakes they may have made.

Discussions about the scope of this project are welcome, at Wikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Scope.

Results

AuthorArticlefirst edit & dateSurvived without deletion tag?If tagged was newbie informed?Survived seven days?WelcomePatr- olledNotes
Skomorokh as ...and the circus leaves townSearching for the Wrong-Eyed Jesus6 Oct 2009tagged G1 after 57 minutesNodeleted after 71 minutesNot until the test was overYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Skomorokh#Searching for the Wrong-Eyed Jesus
WereSpielChequers as DahsunMago II of Carthage6 Oct 2009Yesn/aYesNoYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/WereSpielChequers#Mago II of Carthage
NVO as Antique AnticsJulien-David Le Roy8 Oct 2009Yesn/aYesNoNoWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/NVO
NVO as Antique AnticsWilliam Craft Brumfield10 Oct 2009Yesn/aYesn/aYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/NVO
Stormie as Force1995Haig Sare11 Oct 2009Yesn/aYesYesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Stormie#Haig Sare
Geni as Liveware problemCotswold Canals Trust17 Oct 2009Yesn/aYesNoNoWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Geni#Cotswold Canals Trust
Decltype as The Quiet BiographerThomas Boberg19 Oct 2009tagged as {{db-bio}} after 7 minutesNoSpeedy removed by John Z (talk · contribs)YesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Decltype#Thomas Boberg
Olaf Davis as LestWeBeScatteredMartyn Cundy19 Oct 2009tagged A7 after 2 minutesYesdeclined by De728631 (talk · contribs)YesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Olaf Davis#Martyn Cundy
WereSpielChequers as DahsunHimilco II of Carthage21 Oct 2009Yesn/aYesn/aYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/WereSpielChequers#Himilco II of Carthage
Olaf Davis as LestWeBeScatteredEnoch Adeboye23 Oct 2009tagged G3 after 3 minutes, A7 after 5.Yesboth self-revertedn/aYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Olaf Davis#Enoch Adeboye
The ed17 as EncouraçadoBrazilian battleship Riachuelo26 Oct 2009Yesn/aYesn/aYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/The ed17#Battleships
The ed17 as EncouraçadoAquidaban26 Oct 2009tagged as {{db-nocontext}} after 26 minutesn/adeclined after 47 minutes by Casmith 789As part of the speedy taggingNoWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/The ed17#Battleships
SoWhy as AzerajionRichard Rogler27 Oct 2009Yesn/aYesn/aYesCleaned up by JamesBWatson (talk · contribs) and Polargeo (talk · contribs)
SoWhy as AzerajionAndreas Rebers27 Oct 2009tagged A1 after 29 minutesYesDeclined by Skomorokh (talk · contribs)As part of the speedy taggingYesCleaned up by Skomorokh and R'n'B (talk · contribs)
SoWhy as AzerajionWolfgang Stumph27 Oct 2009tagged A7 after 0 minutesNodeleted after 4 hours 40 minutesn/aYesTried to appeal to deleting admin in my newbie persona at the admin's talk page. Unfortunately, he only responded once and forgot to respond when I asked why a reliable source and winning multiple awards is not an indication of importance.
SoWhy as AzerajionRuss Meneve28 Oct 2009tagged A7 after 26 hoursYesDeclined by Jayron32 (talk · contribs)n/aYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/SoWhy
Stevage as Speleo87Batu Niah29 Oct 2009Yesn/aYesNoYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Stevage#Batu Niah
AJCham as ToonGamerGrainger Games29 Oct 2009Deleted after 6 minutes {{A7}}one of two deletions was notifiedDeleted after 2 minutes {{A3}}NoNoWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/AJCham#Grainger Games
Decltype as Alis grave nilLennart Hellsing4 Nov 2009tagged as {{db-person}} after 0 minutesYesSpeedy self reverted by Ilyushka88 (talk · contribs) after 6 minutesYes by taggerYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Decltype#Lennart Hellsing
Decltype as Alis grave nilJohan H. Andresen jr.4 Nov 2009tagged as {{db-test}} after 7 minutesYesSpeedy removed by Vejvančický (talk · contribs) after 23 minutesn/aYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Decltype#Johan H. Andresen jr.
NuclearWarfare as Matrena balkMatrena balk and later Matrena Balk10 Nov 2009 (deleted)tagged as {{A7}} after 1 minute. More followed.YesNoAs part of the speedy taggingYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/NuclearWarfare#Matrena balk / Matrena Balk
Jake Wartenberg as SpeedmarkAntonio del Río9 Nov 2009tagged as {{db-bio}} after 3 minutesNoYesNoYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Jake Wartenberg
Durova as Fergus MacTrollGrimmia antarctici9 Nov 2009tagged as {{A7}} after 0 minutesYesdeclined by user:Hairhorn after 11 minutesYesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Durova as Fergus MacTrollSchistidium antarctici10 Nov 2009YesYesYesn/aYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Durova as Fergus MacTrollSarconeurum glaciale10 Nov 2009YesYesYesn/aYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Durova as Fergus MacTrollPottia heimii10 Nov 2009tagged as {{A7}} after 0 minutesYesdeclined by user:Nihonjoe after 3 minutesn/aYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Durova as Fergus MacTrollAndreaea depressinervis10 Nov 2009YesYesYesn/aYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Durova as Fergus MacTrollAndreaea gainii10 Nov 2009YesYesYesn/aYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Durova as Fergus MacTrollAndreaea regularis‎10 Nov 2009YesYesYesn/aYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Durova as Fergus MacTrollDicranoweisia brevipes10 Nov 2009YesYesYesn/aYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Durova as Fergus MacTrollDicranoweisia crispula10 Nov 2009YesYesYesn/aYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Durova as Fergus MacTrollDidymodon gelidus10 Nov 2009YesYesYesn/aYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Durova
Riana as 莲乸Century of humiliation11-Nov-09tagged as {{db-nocontext}} after 2 minutesVia TwinkleTag removed by JohnCD (talk · contribs)Via TwinkleNoWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Riana
Atama as JoeKoleMitchell Muncy6 Nov 09Yesn/aYesNoNoWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Atama
Atama as JoeKoleJames Chatters10 Nov 09tagged as {{A7}} after 0 minutesYesDeleted after 2 hoursAs part of the speedy tagging.YesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Atama
Coffee as User:McJombo SailsBroadway Rag12 Nov 09YesYesYesYesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Coffee
Coffee as User:McJombo SailsTornado Jockey15 Nov 09tagged as A7 after 1 hour and 43 minutes laterYesDeclined by NuclearWarfareYesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Coffee
Coffee as User:McJombo SailsPolar Golfer15 Nov 09tagged as A7 after 58 minutesYesDeclined by NuclearWarfareYesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Coffee
Coffee as User:McJombo SailsSuper Granny15 Nov 09tagged as A1 first time after 3 minutes, tagged as A7 second time after 2 minutesYesdeleted after 1 hour 11 minutesYesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Coffee
Circeus as User:QcHistSciErnest Rouleau9 Nov 09Yesn/an/aNoYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Circeus
Circeus as User:QcHistSciJoseph-Alexandre Crevier9 Nov 09Yesn/an/aNoYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Circeus
Circeus as User:Le quotidienSimonne Monet-Chartrand15 Nov 09Yesn/an/aYesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Circeus
Circeus as User:Le quotidienMichel Noël15 Nov 09tagged under {{db-a7}} after 14 minutesYeslikely: speedy declined by Graeme Bartlett (talk · contribs)YesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Circeus
Circeus as User:Le quotidienDoris Lussier15 Nov 09Yes, but got a (quickly removed) {{BLPunsourced}} templaten/an/aYesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Circeus
Ilyushka88 as User:IHaveaSpoonKellokoski10 Nov 09Yesn/an/aYes by Anna Lincoln (talk · contribs)YesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Ilyushka88
Ilyushka88 as User:IHaveaSpoonMaria Jotuni10 Nov 09Yesn/an/aYesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Ilyushka88
Smartse as User:OrganismluvvaMunidopsis andamanica14 Nov 09Yesn/aYesYes by JohnCD 40 minutes after first editYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Smartse
Smartse as User:OrganismluvvaNotoliparis kermadecensis14 Nov 09Yesn/aYesYesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Smartse
Smartse as User:OrganismluvvaSwima bombiviridis14 Nov 09Yesn/aYesYesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Smartse
Smartse as User:OrganismluvvaRhizomucor miehei14 Nov 09Yesn/aYesYesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Smartse
Smartse as User:OrganismluvvaSwima14 Nov 09Yesn/aYesYesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Smartse
Smartse as User:OrganismluvvaXenotropic murine leukaemia virus14 Nov 09Yesn/aYesYesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Smartse
Smartse as User:OrganismluvvaWatan Group14 Nov 09No tagged as {{a7}} after two minutesYesYesYesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Smartse
Smartse as User:OrganismluvvaPhytophthora cajani14 Nov 09Yesn/aYesYesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Smartse
Smartse as User:OrganismluvvaRoger Allen Leigh14 Nov 09No tagged as {{a7}} after one minuteYes (twice)YesYesYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Smartse
Angr as KheewAntony (Khrapovitsky) of Kiev2009-11-10Yesn/aYesNoYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Angr
Angr as IntaritulJean Palaprat2009-11-12Yesn/aYesNoNoWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Angr
Henrik as ECHRfanJean-Paul Costa2009-11-13Yesn/aYesNoYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Henrik
Henrik as ECHRfanChristos Rozakis2009-11-13Yesn/aYesNoYesWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Henrik
Henrik as ECHRfanPeer Lorenzen2009-11-13Yesn/aYesNoNoWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Henrik
Awadewit as Enlightenment1789Ormond (novel)2009-11-15YesN/AYesN/A (welcomed by someone who knew who account was)NoWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Awadewit
Awadewit as Enlightenment1789Harrington (novel)2009-11-15YesN/AYesN/A (welcomed by someone who knew who account was)NoWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Awadewit
Awadewit as Enlightenment1789Practical Education2009-11-15YesN/AYesN/A (welcomed by someone who knew who account was)NoWikipedia:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion/Awadewit

Info we'd like to collect here (Counting only the articles that didn't merit deletion):

  1. Did your article survive or get deleted? Of 63 articles 23 were tagged for deletion. 18 were declined or self-reverted and five deleted .
  2. what tags did it get
  3. If your article was tagged for deletion were you informed of this?
  4. Were you welcomed?
  5. Did anyone else edit your article and if so what did they do?
  6. Did you feel welcomed?
  7. Did you feel ignored?
  8. Did you feel bitten?

NB please don't name and shame those who you think made mistakes in the table.

Participants

Please shift these back to transclusions when discussions are active:

Awards

Those who have rescued our newbies articles from deletion, especially non-admins declining speedies may be awarded the rescue barnstar:

Parameter: {{subst:The Rescue Barnstar 3|message ~~~~}}

Those who have gone out of their way to be nice and helpful to our newbies may well deserve the random acts of kindness barnstar:

Parameter: {{subst:The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar|message ~~~~}}

Participants whose socks have created good newbie articles may be rewarded with the Righteous Sock award:

Parameter: {{subst:The Righteous Sock Barnstar|your message here ~~~~}}

The NEWT notice is a polite way to inform other editors that they have inadvertently become part of this experiment, such as through tagging one of the articles involved. Judicious use of the message parameter is strongly recommended, especially if you are critical of their actions.

Parameter: {{subst:NEWT notice|your "newbie" account|discussion thread|your additional message ~~~~}}

Proposals inspired by these tests

  1. strategy:Proposal:Speedy deletion - 24 hour pause for some articles
  2. strategy:Proposal:Welcome all useful new users, if necessary by a bot
  3. Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#Suggestion - authors must be informed
    Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/SDPatrolBot II a bot that would do this
  4. Wikipedia talk:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion#Proposal/Idea for NPP changes - Twinkle and Huggle scripts for newpage and construction tags
  5. Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion/Archive 37#Should unsourced become a speedy deletion criterion?
  6. Wikipedia talk:Newbie treatment at Criteria for speedy deletion#Informing taggers that you've declined their tags
  7. MediaWiki talk:Welcomecreation review the welcome screen that you briefly see when you create a new account.
  8. Wikipedia talk:Autoreviewer#Bot to find article creators more autoreviewers would take some pressure off NPP

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