Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trevor Billingham

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) (Almost appears to have been withdrawn) -- Orduin ^Discuss 20:54, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject doesn't appear to meet WP:NSPORTS or Wikipedia:Notability (academics). The sources don't appear to be independent. —Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 23:59, 22 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. lavender|^{(formerly HMSSolent)}|lambast 00:02, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. lavender|^{(formerly HMSSolent)}|lambast 00:03, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep we should be able to round up enough sources about the founder of Little Athletics. He has a memorial in Geelong which is a good start.-- Mattinbgn (talk) 00:10, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If the sources are reasonably improved, I'll withdraw my nomination.—Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 00:46, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Wikipedia:Notability (academics) is not appropriate, as I told the proposer on my talk page after he queried my de-proding of this article. The 2nd dot point states -" School teachers at the secondary education level, sometimes also called professors, are not presumed to be academics and may only be considered academics for the purposes of this guideline if they are engaged in substantial scholarly research and are known for such research. They are rather evaluated by the usual rules for notability in their profession". The subject taught at Corio Technical School, which I am fairly sure is/was a secondary college. I agree with Mattinbgn. Let us now look for sources. It would have been better if the sources had been queried on the article before coming here, but here it is and I may have encouraged the proposer to do so. --Bduke (Discussion) 00:57, 23 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. I have found several links and added them to the article. I have also removed redlinks, none of which I think deserves an article, except perhaps the school but sources will be difficult there. The article is not great but I think it meets out notability guidelines now. --Bduke (Discussion) 03:59, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Bduke and Mattinbgn: The sources all relate to Little Athletics. Even the source I consider to be the best one added [1], mainly focuses on the organization. The ones that focus on the subject of this article are in-house from the organization he started. Notability isn't inherited. I think a section on this individual would be better at the organization he started, because they only seem to be notable for that one thing. Notability requires significant independent coverage, and that just doesn't seem to exist in this case.—Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 04:29, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The orbituary shows he was notable in the wider athletics community. Here are a couple of other sources - discussed in book on volunteering [2], a UK major newspaper [3]. Little Athletics seems to be a very wide and diffuse organisation and his role in it absolutely crucial so maybe we need an article on him and the organisation. --Bduke (Discussion) 06:21, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

While I'm unable to view the book, the article source is titled "Little Athletics has made a big difference". Again it focuses on the organization. The obituary describes his life, but that doesn't make any of those details notable, other sources are needed for that.—Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 07:20, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - The entity that he founded makes the founder significant, assuming sourcing can be found to verify a biographical piece. In addition to the sourcing showing in the article HERE is an obituary from Geelong Athletics. THIS indicates he is the namesake of a national championship trophy. Carrite (talk) 15:43, 7 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That South Coast Register article does it for me [4]. I'll work on adding a sentence and that source plus another regarding the trophy later on, unless someone else gets to it before me. Being the namesake of that trophy (assuming the trophy itself is notable) establishes notability beyond the organization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Godsy (talk • contribs) 17:10, 7 July 2015

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