Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Siya Kakkar

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Tone 17:05, 6 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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WP:NOTMEMORIAL, there is no evidence she passes WP:GNG. Having 1.1 million followers on TikTok does not make them notable, and if she wouldn't have passed WP:GNG last week, then her death doesn't make her notable (WP:1E, WP:NOTMEMORIAL). Coverage of her death is mostly the same article posted on multiple websites, and some questionable British tabloids making questionable asssertions to her cause of death- non of these tabloids are reliable sources. A sad story, but not a notable individual Joseph2302 (talk) 10:27, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:27, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:27, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I agree that it was my fault to create a controversial article like this where the focus is mostly given related to the death of the subject more than the career of the person. I agree the article is obviously is a WP:1E and fails to comply with WP:GNG. I actually thought twice before whether it will be suitable to create an article like this. But I created this article after seeing a wide media coverage globally excluding India about this person including CNN. It was my bad to use The Sun as a source in the article given its accuracy issues. It was just a random contribution from me for the Women in Red campaign. I agree to what fellow Wikipedians think about whether to keep this article or delete this. Thanks. Cheers. Abishe (talk) 12:25, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - A very tragic case but not notable. Her popularity on social media would not have passed muster at WP:GNG and her untimely suicide does not add any notability.  Velella  ^{Velella Talk}   12:40, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - nothing shows this person is notable, outside of dying, clear WP:1E situation Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:40, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Lee. JavaHurricane 13:11, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Per nom, obituary article with nothing significant. Gotitbro (talk) 13:53, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Part of Internet culture. Article in most important world news agencies. Neo139 (talk) 15:53, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete – Much too obscure & personal. – Sca (talk) 15:59, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Per nominator and many of the above, a sad case but not notable JW 1961 Talk 16:40, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - although obviously a sad event, there are probably hundreds of similar influencers in the world who meet tragic ends over a span of time. And what strikes me most is that 15 years of life is no time at all in which to build up a true notability through her craft. Ref ^(chew)(do) 20:28, 28 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 02:18, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Her 15 minutes of fame were cut short. WWGB (talk) 09:03, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Per WP:1E. Outside of her unfortunate death by suicide, the person isn't really all that notable. JaventheAldericky (talk) 09:54, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per basically everything above. - Poydoo can talk and edit 16:18, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep/Move - WP:1E. Since the event is the only thing that makes this article notable, it should only cover the event - while the person is not notable, the event certainly is. Renaming the article to Siya Kakkar suicide should suffice. GameIsWikipedian (talk) 16:24, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Seems very borderline to me. Deb (talk) 18:27, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per all of the above Spiderone 14:13, 30 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. A glance at this article's 15 inline cites will instantly confirm that this was and remains a heavily publicized event to a degree equal to or greater than the suicides engendering full-length Wikipedia entries such as Suicide of Tyler Clementi, Suicide of Megan Meier, Suicide of Rehtaeh Parsons, Suicide of Phoebe Prince or Suicide of Amanda Todd, to give but five examples. See many other examples under Category:Bullying and suicide and Category:Suicides by country. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 08:27, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Most of those articles had either a change in law or convictions for people seen as responsible for contributing to the person's suicide. Not true here, and the sources aren't anyway near as good:
• [1] - Wikifeed is not reliable
• [2] - Wikifolder is not reliable
• [3] - doesn't load for me, but appears to be an image
• [4], [5] - tabloids, which aren't the best newspapers, Mirror in particular is highly questionable
• [6], [7], [8], [9], [10], [11], [12] -all just say that she committed suicide, very little other information, lots of them are just reprinting the same info. CNN has section about TikTok in general, which doesn't demonstrate her notability
• [13]- a few basic details about her TikToking
• [14]- just speculation on possible causes
• Therefore, I don't believe that she passes WP:GNG, and no evidence that her suicide will have longevity to pass WP:NEVENT and WP:GNG. Clear WP:1E. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:38, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Just because an event is heavily publicized doesn't necessarily mean it is suitable for an encyclopedia article.-- P-K3 (talk) 13:14, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

By its very definition, a heavily publicized event is almost always suitable for a Wikipedia article and, in fact, almost always becomes a Wikipedia article. Here are ten additional "Suicide of..." Wikipedia articles — Suicide of Kurt Cobain, Suicide of Ryan Halligan, Suicide of Hamed Nastoh, Suicide of Tom Pappas, Suicide of Nicola Ann Raphael, Suicide of Jamey Rodemeyer, Suicide of Terry Rossland, Suicide of Tyrone Unsworth, Suicide of Rohith Vemula and Suicide of Kevin Whitrick.

There are actually scores of these WP:OTHER STUFF EXISTS Suicide of... articles, with many under the name of the non-notable victim, rather than under Suicide of... As for notability of Siya Kakkar, she was actually better known to the public during her lifetime than 99 percent of the victims whose suicides are the subjects of these lengthy Wikipedia articles.

The most obvious among the remaining one percent would be two separate English Wikipedia entries for Kurt Cobain and Suicide of Kurt Cobain and, while teenage internet celebrity is not comparable to being a rock star, Siya Kakkar, in view of her young age, had sufficient fame for her suicide to engender publicity comparable to that of a movie star. If one were of a mind to start nominating teenage suicide articles for deletion, there would be a number of likelier candidates ahead of this one. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 20:14, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As has already been pointed out, those suicides all had some wider impact such as legislative change. We just don’t know if that will happen yet with this young girl. If it does, then sources will be available in the future to write such an article. Right now it’s just a WP:1E. P-K3 (talk) 21:18, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

It could not have been already pointed out, since the ten Suicide of... main title headers listed above (at 20:14, 1 July 2020) had not been previously submitted for consideration — only the five headers presented beforehand (at 08:27, 1 July 2020) had been commented upon and were said to serve a higher purpose in that those entries resulted in some wider impact. A further ten Suicide of... titles could be submitted as additional examples, unless the contention is that although WP:OTHER STUFF EXISTS, the Siya Kakkar entry is the one that must be cleansed from Wikipedia despite the fact that it has received more publicity than most other such entries. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 03:01, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete : As per wiki:NOTNEWS Shrikanthv (talk) 09:21, 2 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Search results yielded news about her death, an indication of WP:BLP1E. Other than that, I barely found anything about her. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 06:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Meanwhile, amid this AfD, there's a request to rename the page to Suicide of Siya Kakkar. ASTIG😎 _{(ICE T • ICE CUBE)} 06:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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