Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simon Strelchik (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No consensus (default to keep). --Nlu (talk) 22:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I think that this article deals with someone who, while likely a very nice person, is not publically significant enough to justify a page on Wikipedia. Strelchik is a failed political candidate, and, according to the article, a rights activist in Thornhill. However, his article is so overwhelmingly for him, that it makes me dizzy. Whenever it is changed to make it at least somewhat neutral and acceptable, these edits are reverted. But even without this, there are many more 'important' people, and I use the word lightly, who are better suited to a page on this website. I even created this article, but now realize it was wrong. Theonlyedge 22:02, 11 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note: See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simon Strelchik for prior debate. Bearcat 00:14, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, or merge to New Democratic Party candidates, 2006 Canadian federal election, where it's obviously co-equally notable to each other listed. As an editor who was constantly reverted a while back, I can testify the article has settled into something stable. Samaritan 00:17, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep, don't merge. Far more notable than many other candidates. Blink484 20:36, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Ardenn 00:22, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or merge There are 200 articles on candidates for the Canadian House of Commons, and if this were to be deleted, then many others would also have to be deleted. I'm not concerned either way, but our approach needs to be consistent. Brisvegas 00:49, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I agree. I believe that that category should be scrutinized and any candiate not notable for other reasons should be merged into the appropriate list. Luigizanasi 05:32, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• While I realize that not everybody agrees on the notability of unelected political candidates, the precedent has already been set that federal candidates are entitled at least to inclusion in a merged list. Either keep or merge into New Democratic Party candidates, 2006 Canadian federal election; precedent already excludes outright deletion as an option. Irony duly noted. Bearcat 01:01, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per Samaritan. Article is well-written. Aufbauten 10:57, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge Please do not keep. The Canadian House of Commons has 308 seats. The US House has 435. The Canadian election, in many ridings, had Conservatives, Liberals, NDPs and Greens, along with a variety of independents. The US has Democrats, Republicans, Libertarians pretty consistently, and a growing number of Greens, as well as a good crop of independents. A huge number of these candidates are running in the only election of their lives. Merely being on the ballot is not a sign of notability, and most of them will be forgotten after the election is over. Unless an individual has other notability, or made the campaign notable in some way, they should not have permanent articles. Fan1967 01:07, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per above. Macredi 10:02, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per all above. Royboycrashfan 01:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete this college student with 7% of the vote. - the.crazy.russian τ ç ë 01:26, 12 April 2006 (UTC).[reply]
• Keep To my eyes, being a founding member and director of Free the Children does make him notable enough to merit an article. His political "accomplishments" are far less notable and should be significantly pared back, but the article should not be deleted. --Hyperbole 01:43, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I'm not certain that he remains a director; he doesn't appear on the list of members of the Board of Directors, and a search for his name on the Free the Children site returns only two results, each of which is actually in reference to Simon Fraser College. Nevertheless, his involvement does appear to be legitimate, at least inasmuch as both Canadian Jewish News and the CBC reference such involvement, although it's unclear whether either means to vouch for the information as independently verified or simply to recapitulate Strelchik's provided biography. I'm profoundly disinclined to doubt the information, but I wonder as to our sourcing; then again, if indeed he co-founded the organization at age 13, it's unlikely we'd get many Ghits apropos of that involvement. Joe 05:42, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per above. Sheehan (Talk) 03:17, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per Fan and Beartcat. Joe 03:21, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge par above --TBC^{??? ??? ???} 04:01, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per above. Fishhead64 05:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Preferably keep as per Hyperbole, and focus article on his work in Free the children. His NDP candidacy does not deserve more than a passing reference. Otherwise, merge. I also agree with Samaritan. Luigizanasi 05:32, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Hyperbole. Leotardo 13:39, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per above, Fan and Beartcat. --Terence Ong 10:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete fpr preference, as candidates do not figure on WP:BIO, but merge per above as second-best. Just zis Guy you know? 11:13, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as per Samaritan and Hyperbole. The previous AfD voted keep. Also the org that the subject is a founding member and director of, Free the Children, "has built 400 schools which provide education to 35,000 children daily, shipped 200,000 school and health kits to children in need and has directly provided heath care services to over 500,000 people in 40 countries by building health care centres and distributing essential medical supplies." No small potatoes. CasanovaAlive 11:27, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge. Ummm ... you mean the org of which this bio claims he's a founding member and director. Do we have any actual sourcing for this claim? RGTraynor 15:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment There are two sources, as user Joe mentioned:Canadian Jewish News and the CBC News. CasanovaAlive 22:06, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

QUESTION: How long does an article go through this process before it is deleted or kept? Theonlyedge 12:24, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

One week. Bearcat 15:50, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge to New Democratic Party candidates, 2006 Canadian federal election for the time being. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 15:31, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge as per above --Mason 22:11, 12 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep there already was an AfD on this and it voted to keep not merge. No evidence has been presented that warrants overturning consensus. Slendidlydelicious 08:25, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per hyperbole. free the children is probably within the top 5 humanitarian organizations in the world, and to have done what he did is amazing. it requires a lot of work and luck. Munckin 07:03, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Are you thinking of Save the Children? Free The Children sounds like a good charity, but they're not the same. Mangojuice 14:20, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Commenthe means what he said Free the Children not Save the Children. Freethe children is one of the top humanitarian organizations in the world and Strelchik was one of the founding directors.--69.158.181.37 18:34, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep This article arlready won the deletion debate to keep, also, the nominater is Theonlyedge is Alan Shefman (pm_shef's father and former opponent of Strelchik in the 2000 municipal election) --67.70.150.98 23:08, 13 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note, above is this user's first edit on Wikipedia. User's second edit was to place a defamation of character warning on Theonlyedge's user page. Mangojuice 03:38, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Based on the user's edit history (iPod? Prime Minister of France? Eric Reguly?) and userpage bio ("I live in Toronto"), I don't buy that. I also find it highly unlikely that a politician would willingly write up Wikipedia articles about his own electoral opponents. Show some proof or retract the assertion. Bearcat 19:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

there are lots of connections as theonlyedge either being Alan Shefman himself or a sockpuppet of Pm shef, first the name "edge" is the same name as shefman's company, they both were attack the same oppenents and have info that only they would know, appears to be politicaly motivated. being from the vaughan area myself they both (if not the same person) have been doing similer practices outside of wikipedia.

Let's try this again: Theonlyedge wrote this article up in the first place. Can you give me one remotely convincing reason why Alan Shefman would willingly write up an article about one of his political opponents? Bearcat 22:32, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I know you must be very frustrated with all the non-sense but the reason he originally wrote it had to do with 1) the federal election and 2) when the Alan Shefman article was up for deletion to show an opponent that he beat had an article. It is a real shame that the wike admins. don't have all the info. about this group. I don't think you realize, the non-sense that this group that the shefman's are in, causes here in vaughan. Mark my words, one day soon, you will read about a major scandal coming from Vaughan area politicians that not only include shefman but also there "king pins" De Biase, Kadis, Sorbara, Bevilaqua and there realife puppets, like shefman, ferri and many more

• Merge per all above. Mangojuice 03:38, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keepvery notable person, believed to be nominated for deletion by a sockpuppet of Pm shef who is the son of strelchik's opponent in the 2000 municipal election and is rumoured (although not yet nominated) as an opponent in the 2006 municipal election--69.156.150.188 00:09, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The only other activity from this IP is accusing user:pm_shef and user:Theonlyedge of being sockpuppets of each other (with no evidence). I am >95% that this is the same user as User:67.70.150.98 who has voted above. Thryduulf 00:17, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keepper 67.70.150.98, already won deletion debate was nominated by pm shef's sockpuppet --64.228.149.140 02:04, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Only edits are here. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 02:45, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per 67.70.150.98, Pm_shef and his sockpuppet who again nominated this article for deletion should kicked of wiki for all there vadalism and personal attacks against many users--64.231.172.2 02:28, 15 April 2006 (UTC) Only edits are here. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 02:45, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment There is no indication that pm_shef and theonlyedge are sockpuppets. The original AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Simon Strelchik was nominated by pm_shef and theonlyedge voted to keep. This AfD was nominated by theonlyedge and I see that pm_shef has not made a single appearance on this page. If you are going to use sockpuppets then you might as well get them to backup your position. Sort of like having multiple IP's with little or no edits come and vote here or attempt to place invalid sockpuppet tags on both theonlyedge and pm_shef. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 02:45, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per Brisvegas. We have 200 equivalent articles, precendent has been set. See category: Candidates for the Canadian House of Commons. UndergroundRailroad 11:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per fan. Kotepho 19:24, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge per Samartan, Bearcat. OhNoitsJamie^Talk 21:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per UndergroundRailroad, Brisvegas. Moonslight 23:06, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per above GoldRhymer 10:16, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep; major party candidates for Federal office are notable, and this appears to be a re-hash of a previously unsuccessful AfD. MCB 16:47, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: Some discussions have been refactored to the talk page to aid readability. Stifle (talk) 17:10, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge Important enough for a mention, but not for his own page. CJCurrie 21:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, Don't Merge: this guy has made multiple runs for elected office at multiple levels. Also, he has been an activist on other issues. He is very likely to be a candidate in the Thornhill area again, possibly numerous times, especially as he is a very young candidate. NDP Johnny 22:06, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.