Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Beyoncé Knowles songs

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. –MuZemike 19:10, 10 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of Beyoncé Knowles songs

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While the article has a significant amount of sources, the article is unnecessary, as she has a Discography which lists charted songs, and songs which have never charted are listed on the albums appropriate articles. Gabe19 (talk) 06:19, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the Discography. Editor was probably unaware of standard naming conventions. Eusebeus (talk) 10:55, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep The artist is extremely well known, has tons of songs released (all of which are referenced) and all are divided into the right sections and categories. The discography obviously doesn't cover this material so an extra page is needed. If something is not referenced correctly than either delete or find a better reference. If artists like Rihanna & Britney Spears get a "List of ... Songs" page than why wouldn't this artist? Theuhohreo (talk) 13:36, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong delete Hey, hey, hey, I think someone is making a huge mistake here! You can not create an article or fight for it using as an excuse other articles of sb or something else. See WP:OTHERSTUFF. Every case is different, and you can't use as an argument "why does he/she have an article about..." Besides, you do not create articles just because an artist that you obviously don't like have something that "your" artist doesn't have. You are the same user who create the page, so I am guessing that you created it based on List of Rihanna songs and List of Britney Spears songs . Your argument need to be reasons why keep it, without involve something else. Fortunato luigi (talk) 01:10, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment I'm didn't create the page because of other artists, I'm saying that if this "List of... songs" can be merged with the discography (which is stupid to even think about, because it shouldn't...) than whats stopping it from happening with all of artists "List of... songs" for example, the artists i listed above. Discography is for charting songs/singles and this pages is for listing every song an artists has done (soundtrack, singles, album tracks, leaked songs etc...) and provide trivia for songs (like the sampled material section in the page). It can not be any more clearer that the two pages should not be merged... Theuhohreo (talk) 01:36, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I agree. If you're going to merge this page to the artist's discography than you'll have to for all the other ones too. List of songs pages are needed for popular artists!!! 68.160.198.159 (talk) 15:21, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment- I wasn't aware that both of those artists had those pages, both of those should be deleted too. It just makes absolutely no sense to me to have pages like this. Yes, she is a popular singer today, I'll admit that, but to have a an article such as this is unnecessary. Gabe19 (talk) Gabe19 (talk) 19:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The discography does give information on songs that have charted, but this page is completely different from that so why merge??? This page is information on songs officially/unofficially released by Beyoncé which is needed because of so many albums, singles, soundtracks, etc... released! 68.160.198.159 (talk) 15:21, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment- "Completely Different?" Not "Completely", In some ways is is but it still lists all songs that were released, and charted, that's what the discography is for. Gabe19 (talk) Gabe19 (talk) 19:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I don't see any reason to merge, as a matter of principle, discographies and lists of songs into a larger article, particularly in the case of a bestselling artist. Some of don't really want to click on "the album's appropriate articles" until we find what we're looking for, hence it's not uncommon to separate a list of songs from a discography. Technically, a discography would be about the "discs" that are sold as albums and singles. I know that the argument can be made that a description of the album could be expanded to list all of the songs on the album, but it's often the case that a song appears on more than one album. Discography is the business side, list of songs is the art side, the article about the artist is the news side. That's the way it's been done, and there's nor reason to change it. Mandsford (talk) 17:57, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment- Not only do discographies list released and charted songs, albums, and the like, many list everything that this article contains, making it an unnecessary article to begin with. Her Discography contains song that have charted, collaborations that she has partaken in, soundtrack songs she has partaken in, all which are included is this article. The songs which which are listed under the unreleased section of the article, and read "I Am... Sasha Fierce outtake/B'Day outtake/Dangerously In Love outtake" could easily be included in those albums articles. Songs that have no article to themselves, or weren't on any album could easily be put in her discography. Songs with sampled material are already included in the appropriate albums articles, and The live songs could be included on the appropriate tours' article, making this entire article very unnecessary. Gabe19 (talk) Gabe19 (talk) 19:54, 3 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Agree- Their is really no reason to merge both these articles into one page. It would either overload the discography page or overload the artists albums pages with "unreleased song". Their is no problem with the way things are now so I see no reason in changing it now. Theuhohreo (talk) 00:42, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:04, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 02:04, 4 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
~~Delete~~ Why is this article important? The songs listed here are songs that are listed on the albums article or the movies articles. This is a really unnecessary article cuz all those songs appear on other articles, and the "new ones" are outtakes or commercial songs or things like those, which, by the way, ar pure trivia, making it unnecessary. Furthermore, the references have links to download them on a illegal way, we should be avoiding that kind of things. Fortunato luigi (talk) 00:55, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please make sure not to "vote" twice (it's happened to all of us at one time or another). There's no limit to how many comments we're allowed to make, but as a rule, only the initial opinion should be labelled "keep" or "delete", and anything else is prefaced by the word "comment". It makes it easier for the administrator to get an idea how many people are participating in the discussion. Thanks. Mandsford (talk) 20:00, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep- Artist is popular with obviously a ton of songs. List of songs pages seem to organize all music done by the artist(s) (in general) so if an artist has tons of songs that they deserve a significant page, like this. References seem to be in order and everything is already set up fine... Just leave it!74.72.160.180 (talk) 03:09, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment- Her popularity isn't at debate here, it's the page and it's content. All of the material included in this page is already on her discography and album's articles. And BTW, she doesn't have "tons of songs" Gabe19 (talk) Gabe19 (talk) 03:50, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment-Absolutely none of this material is covered in the discography. YES the discography does list songs that have charted as singles (and other charted songs) and soundtrack singles, but the list of songs page isn't for charted songs its for all songs in general released by the artist. Both pages seem like two different pages for different things.68.160.200.128 (talk) 17:31, 5 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment- "Absolutely none of this material is covered in the discography."- Really? NONE of this is in her discography? Released songs, Collaborations, Soundtrack Songs are all in her discography, Sampled material and Unofficially released songs are on the appropriate albums articles, Live songs are on the appropriate tours articles, leaving only the Unreleased songs, Leaked demos/working titles, TV commercials songs, and Recorded material left, half of which don't even have references so it's questionable if it's valid material, therfore making this article very unnecessary. Those four sections I mentioned can easily be added to her discography. Gabe19 Gabe19 (talk) 01:10, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment- The only thing covered in the discography is Charted songs! THATS IT! and thats really all the discography really needs to cover. The discography only has charted soundtrack singles not the songs that haven't charted which are included on this page. The leaked/unofficially released songs aren't even listed on the albums. And everything including TV commercials can easily be referenced. I really can not imagine why merging the two articles would even cross anyones mind... Theuhohreo (talk) 01:36, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
      - Comment- Not always, many contain songs that have never charted. The leaked/unofficially released songs that were recorded for the appropriate albums should be listed on those albums pages. If everything else can be "easily referenced", reference it. Also, many of the references that the article contains are from blogs, which aren't considered Relaible Sources, making this article unnecessary. Gabe19 (talk) 03:04, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        Comment- But if they contain songs that never charted than that kinda goes against the whole concept of a discography, doesn't it? All the T.V. commercials are referenced now and what if some of the leaked songs were just released during a recording session and not as a leftover from an album? Than were do those go? Their are some cases were the two pages should be merged but it just makes more sense and makes it all easier to keep it the way it is now... 68.160.200.128 (talk) 14:32, 6 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
        Comment- Just because the T.V. Commercials are referenced now doesn't mean the entire article should be kept. Besides the T.V. Commercial songs are already posted on her Videography, making this article unnecessary. Leftover songs from a particular album should be posted on that album's article.Gabe19 (talk) 04:45, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment- I can not believe this is actually up for discussion. The page organizes every song released by the artist, not only singles (like the discography) but all songs ever released by the artist. The discography definitely does not do that! Only charted songs. Stop being stupid and wasting everyones time and leave the page as is....... 74.72.160.180 (talk) 03:40, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment- "Stop being stupid and wasting everyones time", Gee, that's a great way to close out a comment isn't it? And all songs that have been released by this particular artist are already here on Wikipedia, posted on the album's articles.Gabe19 (talk) 04:45, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment- I'm getting kid of tired reading the same comments, and posting the same responses to the posts here. So here is a more complex Post:

All of the "released songs" posted here are already posted on her albums articles, Dangerously in Love, B'Day, and I Am... Sasha Fierce.

Half of the "Unofficially released songs" don't have references, and the ones that do should be on the album's article that it was recorded for.

Collaborations that have been done should be in the Beyonce Knowles Template, as that is how other artists Templates are.

None of the Soundtrack Songs have references, and some are already listed in her Discography.

All of the "TV commercials songs" are already posted in her Videography, just transfer the references to that page.

Only two The nine Cover versions have references, The "Proud to be an American" reference is a picture (is that even a reference?), and the "Fever" song should be in her Template, under "Other songs", as that is the case with other artists templates.

"Sampled Material", once agin, is already on the appropriate albums' articles, and None of the "Live songs" have references, but should be posted on her Concert Tours Page, as they were performed for her tours.

After all of this, there is nothing left in this article, making it an unnecessary article.Gabe19 (talk) 04:45, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment- I'm kinda hoping this settles it cause this Article for deletion page is getting quite ridiculous... I'm just gonna respond in the order u gave above^

Yes that's true that all officially released songs are on the album pages of the artist.

The 'Unofficially Released Songs' are all legit, but you're right, should be referenced and I can get on that. But the main thing about these songs is that they are just from recording sessions. Some of them are unknown from which album they are from, and I honestly have no idea who put the "(leftover from "Blah blah" album)". So we can't really add the songs to the album pages if they're not left over from an album. And I thought we couldn't compare what we do with this artist as what happens with other artist pages, because I got bitched at for that earlier -_-

Only collaborations that have charted are listed on the discography, unless they're put under "Other album appearances" which could be deleted to clean-up the discography page and left here as-is.

I figured the soundtrack songs didn't have to be referenced since they're from an official album (like the track-listing from artists album pages) but if needed it can easily be obtained... And again only charted soundtrack songs are on the discography.

The videography is for video releases and that part of the page is for the songs used in commercials. Not every commercial done by the artist has a separate song so only if it does it's covered here.

Covered songs can easily be referenced.

If the "Live Cover Versions" don't need referencing on the tour pages than why do we need them here??? Also listing the sampled songs here can clean-up the album pages (as some albums like I Am... Sasha Fierce & B'Day are already over-loaded).

I say "can easily be referenced" because if you already have it set in your mind that you want to delete this page than what would be the point to go and reference them... This pages "takes a load off" (for lack of a better phrases) of other pages that already cover so much and would list this page under the "See Also" articles. I know her popularity isn't up for discussion here, but I'm going to say this anyway in general about all artists with "List of... songs" pages. If an artist is well known, popular and has been around for quite some time than they are going to accumulate a lot of songs. That's were pages like this come in handy again. Even songs written by the artist can be covered here instead of creating a "Beyoncé Knowles writing discography" page... Theuhohreo (talk) 22:05, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment- "this Article for deletion page is getting quite ridiculous..." I don't think so...

"Yes that's true that all officially released songs are on the album pages of the artist."- ok, than that information listed on this page is redundant.

If the 'Unofficially Released Songs' can be referenced, reference them if this page is kept. and when you created this page, 7 of the songs you listed said "(certain album) outtake", meaning you you put that information there; and I never said we couldn't compare other artist pages with each other.

Collaborations that charted/didn't chart should be placed in her Template, that's how other artists Templates are, making that info posted here, redundant.

Soundtrack Songs should be in her Template as well, under 'Soundtrack Albums', albums that contain any song she has partaken in.

Her Videography is for everything pertaining to film, from movies to music videos and commercials, including songs.

If covered songs can "easily be referenced", reference them, if this article is kept.

The Live Songs listed here is redundant information again, since it's listed on her Tours Page.

Sampled Songs should be listed on the albums articles anyways, even if their "overloaded", it pertains to the albums articles.

Any "List of... songs" pertaining to any artist should be deleted too, information on those pages is redundant, as it's already listed on another article. Information put on "List of... songs" articles is redundant information that can easily be found on Wikipedia, depending on the album, making articles like this unnecessary. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabe19 (talk • contribs) 06:34, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Per Mandsford. Rlendog (talk) 01:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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