Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lightray (character)

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The result was keep. bibliomaniac15 05:10, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Article fails to establish notability. The sources added with the dePROD are trivial mentions at best. There is nothing particularly substantial that could be used to build the article. TTN (talk) 17:52, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 17:52, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Science fiction and fantasy-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 17:52, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. TTN (talk) 17:52, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per WP:NEXIST and WP:HEY. I've added real-world content to the article, using the following sources:
  • "The Returns of the New Gods" by Brian Martin, Back Issue #104, Two Morrows Pubishing (June 2018), pg 5, 13 & 23
  • "The Firestorm Interviews" by Cecil Disharoon, Back Issue #112, TwoMorrows Publishing (May 2019), pg 8
  • Uncanny Bodies: Superhero Comics and Disability edited by José Alaniz and Scott T. Smith, Penn State University Press (2019)
  • The DC Comics Encyclopedia: The Definitive Guide to the Characters of the DC Universe by Alan Cowsill et al, DK Publishing (2016) pg 180

The strongest source is the first one, which I used to create the beginning of a Characterization section, with quotes from Rachel Pollack, Tom Peyer and Walt Simonson about the choices that they made in developing Lightray's character after Kirby's work. This is significant real-world coverage. I didn't add anything related to the plot. I think that these are just the beginning of the sources that could be found; Jack Kirby's work has been discussed and analyzed for decades. — Toughpigs (talk) 22:07, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Toughpigs, it looks like Superheroes of the Round Table: Comics Connections to Medieval and Renaissance Literature has a paragraph on page 77 here. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:18, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The book Kirby100: 100 Top Creators Celebrate Jack Kirby’s Greatest Work has on page 102 that Wendy Pini asked Kirby if Lightray was Balder, and Kirby confirmed this. Not a source to demonstrate notability, but a unique detail to add. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:26, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Erik! I appreciate your help. — Toughpigs (talk) 19:26, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep per the sources identified and improvements made to the article. Great job with those, Toughpigs. A WP:HEY example for sure. — Hunter Kahn 20:04, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The additions by Toughpigs demonstrate notability. Lightburst (talk) 19:43, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. One or two passing mentions in Lightray_(character)#Influence are not sufficient for this to warrant a stand-alone article per WP:NFICTION/GNG. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:59, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, or at minimum, merge content to List of New Gods based on coverage from reliable sources since there is good coverage here. WP:PAGEDECIDE says, "There are other times when it is better to cover notable topics, that clearly should be included in Wikipedia, as part of a larger page about a broader topic, with more context. A decision to cover a notable topic only as part of a broader page does not in any way disparage the importance of the topic." Outright deletion is not suitable. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 17:04, 10 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Let this page stay. He is a supporting character of Orion and the rest of the New Gods of New Genesis. Also, @Toughpigs:, @Hunter Kahn:, @Lightburst:, and @Erik: are right about their claims. --Rtkat3 (talk) 00:12, 13 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.