Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeremy Ryan

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The result was no consensus. SoWhy 15:17, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Not a notable political candidate or protestor; I'm not convinced this is the same person that is affiliated with "Cells R' Us". Most of the references regard the person's criminal record. power~enwiki (π, ν) 01:32, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete This guy is way below the level of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:19, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete he's a sort of novelty item, a perennial protestor, perennial protest candidate, and all around gadfly on the Wisconsin political scene. No significant accomplishments, news coverage is slight, brief, trivial, local, and non-serious. No indication that his antics have political impact, let alone that one of his candidacies could result in election to public office. Nothing ot carry him past WP:GNG.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:23, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I would acknowledge that his political notability passes off as a very minor one and could grow but he is very notable as a frequent protester in the Madison, Wisconsin. The news articles about him cannot be said to be trivial or entirely about his criminal records as most of those articles are wholesomely reliable secondary sources that were specifically written independent of him and some were completely about him not just trivial mentions.WP:GNG He was significantly involved in protests that led to the upturning of the rule that prohibited the holding of signs in the rotunda in Madison, Wisconsin, which has significant coverage in various reliable news sources. Moreover, this article I think does not violate what WP:NOT WP:NOTEVERYTHING. As per the issue of Cells R' Us, I agree with you on that and it has been removed as that is an unfounded assertion that cannot be verified at the moment.LenyTee55 (talk) 00:26, 16 August 2018 (UTC)(LenyTee55 created this article - E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:51, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• I see that you are new to Wikipedia. So, a couple of tips. When arguing to keep an article you created, it's good practice to mention that fact in your comment. Also, since most of the sourcing is local, editors can assess it better if you write references that name the source. And bluelink it in the reference, Wisconsin Gazette, Media Trackers, Watchdog.org, Media Trackers, Wisconsin Citizens Media CooperativeMadison.com, and link to the proper WISC. Still, the sourcing looks to be very local, mostly Madison, and an awful lot of it is sketchy. In addition, I am uncomfortabl ewith the fact that the lede makes a claim: "He has been called the face of the Wisconsin Capitol Protests in 2011 against Scott Walkers’s Act 10, which included the Capitol Occupation, the movement that inspired the Occupy movement." supported only by Media Trackers and MacIver Institute, but is Ryan mentioned at 2011 Wisconsin protests? Are tehr ebetter sources for his role?E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:38, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Both of these are national sources one of which backs up the assertion he was referred to as the leader of the protests. Considering the significance of these protests I would say that passes notability https://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/meet-the-segway-riding-liberal-named-ryan-trying-to-beat-paul-ryan-in-the-gop-primary https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/wisconsin-eternal-protest-christian-schneider/

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Muckraker2018 (talk • contribs) 06:16, 21 August 2018 (UTC) — Muckraker2018 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

• Delete - he got a "scattering" of votes the first time he ran, and 6,000 votes this year (coming in 5th). I came in 5th the only time I ran for public office, and I'm neither proud of it nor am I notable. I don't see how his political advocacy had any effect beyond getting into the local news. The protests he engaged in were notable, but he's not necessarily notable. Running three times does not make one a perennial candidate. Bearian (talk) 14:17, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - substantial coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. - Scarpy (talk) 20:46, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• The reliable sources I can find are mostly local, like the college paper The Badger Herald (which says he makes stuff up, exaggerating his persoanl accomplishments.) All large colleges have colorful local characters. I remember the one at my college fondly. He too was profiled in local press, but I wouldn't keep or start an article about him. Ryan has been written up for the nastiness of his protest tactics [1], [2], and for the many times his protest tactics have broken the law, but he doesn't pass WP:NCRIME or WP:POLITICIAN, or even WP:BASIC. He's just an unusually ill-behaved version of local gadfly.E.M.Gregory (talk) 18:57, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• There are several national press mentions as well. And local news from across the state. To say he is a local college character would likely be misleading as I can't find anything to state that he even attended that college. The college article was based off his community notoriety not college notoriety. Nevertheless there is coverage from national press as well. And while he did only get over 6000 votes in the last election it was a midterm primary he did remain competitive against all but the winner. However he has been widely covered by the news in several localities and even some national coverage as well. Also the Journal Sentinel and Wisconsin State Journal which are all references he has appeared often in are state wide publications. Those are the two largest papers in the state and are read across the state. But he has been covered in Madison, Milwaukee, Janesville, and Kenosha making it far beyond just a local character. As well as Talking Points Memo and National Review which are national. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muckraker2018 (talk • contribs) 08:32, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Noting PROMO tone and inflated claims made in this new article, dominated by SPA User:Muckraker2018. WP:ADVERT.E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:48, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• All I did to make my argument is spend 10 minutes on Google. He is very widely covered by plenty of media sources no promo needed just the right search terms. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muckraker2018 (talk • contribs) 21:07, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak delete Is there any serious coverage of him outside of a political run? Most of the coverage is campaign-related, self-promotional "curiosity" coverage, or of his non-notable crimes. SportingFlyer talk 07:51, 28 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• I ran some searches to try to answer User:SportingFlyer's question (Jeremy Ryan turns out to be a pretty common name), and I don't think so - but he's a perennial candidate. Although it's not on the page, he ran for Secretary of State in a 2010 primary, he was mentioned as a "a 21-year-old Madison primary challenger." He's been running for one office or another pretty much ever since. This predates one of the few sort-of INDEPTH stories about him. It ran in the college paper in 2011 The strange ballad of Segway Jeremy It's long, but it's clear that the student journalist thinks Ryan is a fabulist. An article on Talking Points Memo makes it clear that the is, but you have to trust Talking Points Memo on a progressive actrivist: Meet The Segway-Riding Activist Who Hopes To Confuse GOP Voters In Paul Ryan Primary. and that is the point, searches on him get a lot of hits, but it's mostly local, or primary, coverage in more mainstream sources are more likely to be brief mentions of of his candidacy, or of his presence at a demonstration (he always rides a segway - so he stands out,) or, well, strange,: "MADISON -- A well-known protester who says he's running against Congressman Paul Ryan because they share a last name should be kicked off the primary ballot for misleading prospective voters into thinking they were signing up to legalize marijuana, Wisconsin Republicans argued Thursday." E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:21, 7 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Also answering, 10 minutes on Google also yielded this https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/crime-and-courts/who-is-jeremy-ryan-the-record-is-mixed/article_efbedc54-6e22-5525-abd7-6c1c5bf310b3.html . Regardless this has been relisted numerous times last time looking for new input which more than a week later hasn't come so I would say that is pretty clear non consensus.

• Keep – Passes WP:GNG. Coverage due to him being a bong-smoking Republican and segway boy, not usual for a candidate. While this is coverage only present because of the candidacy, he is well known outside of where he's running. This isn't because of a candidacy in Wisconsin, but because he's a bong-smoking Republican. Moreover, re-read the opening to the article. There is no mention of his candidacy, but look how much of an activist he is:
  "He has been called the face of the Wisconsin Capitol Protests in 2011 against Scott Walkers’s Act 10, which included the Capitol Occupation, the movement that inspired the Occupy movement. Jeremy became prominent from his frequent capitol protests in Madison, Wisconsin."
  "His frequent use of a segway vehicle around the capitol earned him the name 'Segway Boy'."
  "Jeremy established and is the director of Defending Wisconsin Political Action Committee, a committee that took part in the attempt to recall Governor Scott Walker in 2011/2012."
  "Segway Jeremy is popular for his continuous protests against Wisconsin Department of Administration’s rules which prohibited holding of signs in the rotunda which was later revoked and his Cannabis activism."
  Redditaddict69 ^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:13, 8 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep:From what I've gathered, my input is simply that I agree with everyone who claims that he is in fact notable. As a response to the nom claiming that most of the sources are about his criminal record, those sources are not entirely devoted to discussing his criminal record they just talk about it along side other subjects. Also what makes a person's criminal record non notable if other attributes of theirs are notable anyway?Grapefruit17 (talk) 20:30, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Regarding criminal records, see our community standard WP:CRIME. SportingFlyer talk 22:44, 9 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CRIME is immediately irrelevant because the first sentence states it applies to people only known for their crime. Indisputably that doesn't apply here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Muckraker2018 (talk • contribs) 00:17, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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