Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jax (Mortal Kombat)

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The result was speedy keep‎. Nomination has been withdrawn. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:46, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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After a pretty lengthy BEFORE look into things, all I managed to find was small mentions. The character is never really discussed in any significant enough capacity, and while mentioned in the context of black representation/stereotyping in gaming, that's solely it: mentions. Nothing in depth to really build an article around and not enough for SIGCOV.

While there was a controversy about his ending in MK11, what articles are there don't talk about his character but more a synopsis of it and then a brief mention of people's overreaction. It can be summed up better as part of public reception towards MK11.

With that said, what's here in the article's body is a lot of listicles that also barely cover the character, and a lot more that focus on gameplay of a particular title. There's not emphasis on why Jax is important as a character outside of MK and barely within the context of MK. Kung Fu Man (talk) 16:50, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Video games. Kung Fu Man (talk) 16:50, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I found one or two scholars discussing the character but getting access to such articles is a pain. Apparently, Wikipedia gives us access to such sources but I often have problems entering there.

• This book goes in depth about the franchise but I couldn't mind any narrative mention of Jax other than this

University of Michigan Press

"Jax was instead introduced in MKII as a Special Forces major attempting to rescue Sonya from captivity by Shao Kahn. Although Sonya and Kano ironically proved the least-selected char-acters in MKI, Midway’s decision to include a sexualized female char-acter (likely inspired by SFII’s Chun-Li) over a heavily muscled Black character—effectively treating femaleness and Blackness as superficially interchangeable nods to “diversity”—may have been motivated as a broader appeal to heterosexual male gamers than to the smaller contin-gent of nonwhite American gamers.Meanwhile, some early critics of Mortal Kombat claimed that the games reinforced stereotypes of nonwhite (and especially East Asian) ethnicities."

• This Portuguese analysis which compares MK2 Jax with MK3 Jax.

Universidade Federal de Goiás

• [https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/60588788.pdf The buck is the most prevalent portrayal of the black male body in video games.

Mainstream media have forged a stereotypical image of blacks as inhuman savages withsupernatural strength. In an article titled, “Black Characters in Video Games Must Be More ThanStereotypes of the Inhuman”, Sidney Fussell describes how black video game characters areplaced in games for the sake of diversity. Most representations of black males tend to be uniformin the sense that they usually wear clothing that emphasizes their physical strength. Somecharacters such as Final Fantasy VII’s Barrett or Mortal Kombat’s Jax, have cyberneticenhancements that further perpetuates and emphasizes their physical strength, furthercontributing to their buck-ness

University Carbondale

• This goes: "The first ever exhibition of crude violence in video games could be Custer‘s Revenge,

in which the player supposedly 'rapes' a native American woman. However it was MortalKombat which first presented realistic bloody violence. “Jax grabs his opponent‟s arms,holds them up over their head, and then—with a squish—he jams them all the way into theirbody so only the hands are visible. He takes a moment to light a cigar. He grabs hisopponent‟s mouth and rips the head in half. He puts out his cigar on the tongue as bloodgurgles out."

University of Calcutta.

There might be more.Tintor2 (talk) 20:12, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Problem is some of these aren't published or show any evidence of peer review, unless the authors themselves are published/professor?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 22:02, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I really don't know what makes them all published but as I revised it, they are all scholars from different Universities. The first book at the top can be bought in Amazon.com so I'm not sure if we can use them. The talk page has two articles about the MK11 ending of Jax but I guess it doesn't make it that notable by itself.Tintor2 (talk) 23:44, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just added a host of sources to the article. Hopefully they're up to snuff, but if not, que sera sera. sixtynine ^{• whaddya want? •} 23:51, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I made some research and managed to find commentary about the character's narrative like his arms, the response in general within the fandom and whatever was his role in Special Forces. I also incorporated a scholar but the one I trusted the most based on the way it was written. The reception section stills to remove some useless listicles articles but I hope at least now thanks to that edit and Beemer's it's in better shape when it comes to notability.Tintor2 (talk) 18:58, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The reception section clearly demonstrates the character has received enough coverage to meet GNG. Especially the Racial characterization and response section which demonstrates the real life impact of the character. Satellizer el Bridget ^(Talk) 04:23, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Withdraw Significant enough work has been done to show there is some notability to the subject and disprove my argument. Article still needs one massive enema and some sources weighed, but AfD's not the outlet for that, and I no longer feel it's in the same state regarding notability that I nominated it.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 15:04, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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