Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Give musar

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The result was delete. Tone 09:29, 18 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Essentially a dictionary definition of a phrase used in some Orthodox Jewish circles. The phrase roughly means "to give ethical advice", "to sermonize" or "to rebuke". None of the cited sources are about "giving musar", but are rather citations to examples of people using the phrase (or in some cases, citations to completely unrelated texts, such as a Britannica article abut the tangentially related Musar movement that does not mention "giving musar"). I originally proposed that this article be merged into the related topic of Musar literature (or possibly to the slightly less related Musar movement), but upon reviewing the article I don't think there's anything worth merging. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 01:04, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Language-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 07:08, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. Bakazaka (talk) 07:08, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom and per WP:SYNTH. This is an expression used in yeshivish circles; it is also a "Heblish" expression (Hebrew-English), but certainly not appropriate as a Wikipedia topic. Yoninah (talk) 11:24, 11 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Unclear that any sources could support this being more than a Wiktionary article. While books could be written (and have been written!) detailing every yeshivish turn of phrase, this one doesn't seem merge- or keep-worthy. Gilded Snail (talk) 04:20, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Maybe an article could be developed. Maybe. The current article is in the WP:TNT zone (SYNTH, OR, poor sources, poor prose, etc.), and we already have Musar movement and Musar literature. Icewhiz (talk) 10:04, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
• comment <Merge-into alternative(s)> Three articles could house the text of "Giving musar"
  • Musar literature
  • Musar movement
  • Jewish ethics

The "literature" can be used to drive the other two, but does not directly mandate.

The "movement" involved study, and could be used to drive action, but sometimes there is a mandate called "Shayv" - sit - "V'AL TaaSeh" - and don't do .. leading to discussions of situations where the cure is worse than ...

There is a phrasing (Psalms, 50:17) which ArtSCroll translates as "For you hate censure." Somehow, after looking at the flow of the last major section of Jewish ethics it seems like a good place to transfer "Give musar"

Per the HatNotes presently atop Give musar, I'm following up at Jewish ethics rather than challenge those who question the notability of "Give musar." Pi314m (talk) 18:47, 15 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.