Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Different Strokes

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Wizardman 17:05, 27 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Different Strokes

Different Strokes may not be notable. The author David Leo does not seem to be. I'm not sure either if the Ethos Books publishing house is notable. Some of the authors linked from there might be; others definately not. House of Scandal (talk) 07:50, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

perhaps merge to a disambulation page otherwise not sure the book meets notability. Jasynnash2 (talk) 09:33, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 11:14, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Diff'rent Strokes. This article does not cite any references or sources and it makes no assertion of notability, but as there is an American sitcom of a similar name (which is notable) it should redirect there. —Snthdiueoa (talk|contribs) 13:31, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

At one time this did redirect to Diff'rent Strokes. House of Scandal (talk) 14:49, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This sounds like a tragic novel that had nothing to do with the sitcom. Squidfryerchef (talk) 04:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed - but I'm thinking more along the lines of its utility as a search term, especially since many would have no idea how to properly enter "Diff'rent" to get the sitcom article. A redirect is appropriate for similar or frequently used search terms - and the sitcom article could disambiguate to the novel article, should this article be kept. UltraExactZZ ^Claims~ Evidence 15:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge. ~~Strong Keep.~~ per Wikipedia:Notability (fiction). It appears the novel "was awarded" one or more of these prizes "the Publishers Prize for fiction in 1993" or "commendation prize for fiction by National Book Development Council in 1994" or "1995 commendation Literature Prize." I haven't quite figured it out yet. Google searches do pull up mention of both 'David Leo' and 'Different Strokes'. Apparently, the novella is notable for being one of the first gay novels published in Singapore. Published in 1993 it is still in print which is something unusual. It is notable. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 03:43, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to authors page. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 14:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Wasssupwestcoast. AgnosticPreachersKid (talk) 04:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The cited awards are enough for me. - ✰ALLSTAR✰ ^echo 05:02, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Perhaps not notable in the west but in the far east it appears to be notable, even well regarded. :: Kevinalewis : ^{(Talk Page)}/_(Desk) 09:20, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The important deciding factor in any issue of notability is coverage in reliable secondary sources. Length of time is irrelevant, as is being "one of the first for X". WP:NB gives some specific guidelines on the notability of books in particular and there is no evidence that this book passes them. The subject of the award was the author, not the book (WP:NOTINHERITED) and there is no evidence that it was a "major literary award". Are there any reviews of the book, for example? —Snthdiueoa (talk|contribs) 09:23, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep If the award is a national award for merit, and the author won the award in large part for their work on this novel, then I'd say that that meets notability for me. I agree, though, that some reviews are necessary. If kept, I also recommend that this article be moved to Different Strokes (novel), and that Different Strokes redirect to the sitcom article, which would then get a disambiguation notice at the top - "for the (Singaporean?) novel, see Different Strokes (novel)", or some such. UltraExactZZ ^Claims~ Evidence 15:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds like a good suggestion, but I am still concerned that notability of the book hasn't been established independently of the author. Might be better to merge it with the author's page and make the disambiguation link say, "Different Strokes redirects here. Different Strokes can also refer to a novel by David Leo"? —Snthdiueoa (talk|contribs) 16:18, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I agree with the Snthdiueoa (talk · contribs) in that Different Strokes should be merged into the author page David Leo with a dab page redirect. Until the text can be built up beyond a stub, it is better to have one start class article than two stub class articles inviting AfDs. Cheers! Wassupwestcoast (talk) 16:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Weak delete I would like to see some evidence that the awards are significant before I vote keep. If deleted, the page should redirect to Diff'rent Strokes. If kept, I like the idea of moving this page to Different Strokes (novel) and either redirecting Different Strokes to Diff'rent Strokes or turing Different Strokes into a redirect page.--FreeKresge (talk) 18:35, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm trying to verify the awards listed, using Google. It seems that the list of awards on the page are not all for the novel -- he did receive the SLP commendation for 1994 Fiction, but that was for Wives, Lovers and Other Women rather than for Different Strokes. I've removed the awards section altogether, since it seems to be irrelevant to that one novel.... Aristophanes68 (talk) 12:11, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Update: According to this site, Different Strokes is not an award-winning book at all! Aristophanes68 (talk) 12:16, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: The cited awards seem to be for other books by the same author. The book may be worth discussing, but for now, it seems best to mention it under the author's page. Aristophanes68 (talk) 13:24, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep & Expand I said it on the general discussion forum, maybe it should be expanded by someone who knows the author and has read the book.WilliamMThompson (talk) 22:43, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: I opened this debate but have waited 'til now to express an opinion. I think its appropriate to turn Different Strokes into a disambi page and to expand the David Leo article instead. House of Scandal (talk) 23:16, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been added to the LGBT WikiProject discussion board. -- SatyrTN (talk / contribs) 17:44, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to David Leo. I'm not seeing enough for a stand-alone article, but it would be reasonable to include the info in the author's article. Aleta ^Sing 05:21, 24 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.