Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/1984 ghallooghaaraa

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Any discussion of a rename or redirect can take place on the article's talk page. . Beeblebrox (talk) 00:20, 22 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

1984 ghallooghaaraa

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Gross diatribe, fork of 1984 anti-Sikh riots. Soman (talk) 12:19, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, was this a re-creation of Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Third Sikh Holocaust 1984? --Soman (talk) 12:22, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Not quite; that one was a bit more coherent than this, and the texts are not the same. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 14:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. An opinionated screed, a content fork, and the title is meaningless in English. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 14:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 14:34, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Unsalvageable POV fork. Salih (talk) 16:00, 7 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Retain Useful information. 209.251.200.243 (talk) 20:32, 8 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep - Notable. Also it is NOT a fork of 1984 anti-Sikh riots, It appears that some editor has reffered to 1984 Sikh riots only. 3rd Sikh ghallooghaaraa is a very big term used for massacre in Punjab - close to 1000 Google hits.--DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 08:06, 10 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

~~— DawnOfTheBlood (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Salih (talk) 10:53, 10 June 2010 (UTC)~~[reply]

A bad faith tag added by User talk:Salih to discredit Keep/Retain Votes as he has cast 'Delete' vote. Please see my pround multi-article editing history. I believe that respected User: Salih has discredited his own 'Delete' vote by openly lying in an important Wikipedia discussion.--DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 00:34, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry DawnOfTheBlood to cast aspersions on your credibility as an editor; it was a mistake on my part. But, I still stick to my delete !vote. Salih (talk) 06:18, 13 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JForget 01:41, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Move to a more easily understood title; the existing title is meaningless and hard to search for, for people not familiar with the culture.-- φ OnePt618^Talk φ 02:18, 14 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with you to later change the article 'title' to its english translation. It also mean we first need to keep it so that we could work on english translation of this title later. Thanks.--170.35.208.21 (talk) 16:16, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as a clearly obvious POV outlet that is addressed in 1984 anti-Sikh riots. While it doesn't qualify for G4 on a technicality (it's not as "well written" as the other POV piece that was deleted at AfD), this nevertheless has to be deleted. —SpacemanSpiff 13:30, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Your own vote? - I Challenge - based on your own fundament, your own statement and vote might be POV vote.Please note, article indicates India murdered Sikhs and this respected editor is an Indian--DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 05:48, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
POV outlet statement? - Wrong- POV is not a basis to delete an article, soultion is to contribute to wikipedia and make its articles valuable while following wikipedia policies. So you can contribute instead of suppressing the information.--DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 05:48, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Addressed in 1984 anti-Sikh riots? - Wrong - 1984 anti-Sikh riots happened in the month of November of year 1984 only, but this article deals with the information starting from June 1984, when Operation Blue Star happened and it covers the killings upto mid 1990s. In regards to the killings of the Sikhs between year 1984 to 1994, even supreme court of India called it worse than genocide, so we definitely need this article. --DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 05:48, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Not well written? - then help- Again its not a basis to get such an extremely important article deleted. Wikipedia welcomes its editors to help in improving its articles.--DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 05:48, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep-Highly Notable. wp:pov is not a basis to get an article deleted. Solution of wp:pov is to contribute to the article and make it truly neutral. So lets keep this highly notable article.--170.35.208.21 (talk) 16:12, 15 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment about Move opinions: A valid article already exists, so moving this doesn't make any sense, there's nothing of value to merge either. —SpacemanSpiff 13:11, 16 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I challenge- This article is not a fork of 1984 anti-Sikh riots, as 1984 anti-Sikh riots happened in the month of November of year 1984 only, but this article deals with the information starting from June 1984, when Operation Blue Star happened and it covers the killings upto mid 1990s. In regards to the killings of the Sikhs between year 1984 to 1994, even supreme court of India called it worse than genocide, so we definitely need this article.--DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 05:00, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sikhism-related deletion discussions. -- DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 08:11, 17 June 2010 (UTC) [reply]
Delete Obvious POV fork of 1984 anti-Sikh riots and an obvious attempt to recreate with a different title an article previously deleted (AfD). --RegentsPark (talk) 16:33, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - on condition that a reference can be found that actually refers to the 1984 ghalooghara.--Sikh-History 19:38, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Requested references - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9--DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 05:32, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FYI - This article links back to Ghallooghaaraa which links to the sister articles Chhotaa Ghallooghaaraa and Wadda Ghallooghaaraa and back to Holocaust where it comes up in section 1.2 "Use of the term Holocaust for Jewish and non-Jewish victims". Maafa - the "African Holocaust or Holocaust of Enslavement" is also there. I didn't create all these holocausts. I am just trying to document some of them and bring them to public awareness.Guru Fatha Singh Khalsa (talk) 22:46, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
PS - While I agree "Ghallooghaaraa" is not yet a term generally used or known outside the Sikh community, if anyone searches "Sikh holocaust" or "1984 holocaust", it does come up. Using the word "holocaust" has difficulties of its own, as evidenced by those who would have it exclusively refer to the Jewish or perhaps the Armenian event. Guru Fatha Singh Khalsa (talk) 23:00, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- It's not a fork of 1984 anti-Sikh riots as it does not refer to events happened in November 1984 only when anti-sikh riots happened. Here are proofs from google book search.--144.160.130.16 (talk) 23:28, 17 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Retain - This article has many citations used throughout the article, and quoted facts. But written very unencyclopedically and full of POV. Badly needs an overhaul, thorough re-write, rename, etc. but if the editors who are the most intent about keeping this article can put in the work and make it happen, then sure, keep it. The ghallugharas are real events in the Sikhs' history (they're discussed as such among many Sikhs) and are entitled to articles, if they are written better.3swordz (talk) 09:17, 18 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the vote.. Yes! If there are so many editors supporting this article, then for sure, we should be able to, and your help will be greatly appreciated as well... Thanks again!!--DawnOfTheBlood (talk) 06:41, 19 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - pov fork that lumps together everything from 15th century to 1993. An essay better suited for a blog than an encyclopaedia.--Sodabottle (talk) 16:08, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep- this article shud not be deleted as it provides proper information which is very necessary to curb the ignorance or misunderstanding that prevails regarding the tragedy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robbie.therobber (talk • contribs) 08:31, 23 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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