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Can you look at User_talk:Sam_Blacketer#3RR_report, User:Sam_Blacketer has clearly made a mistake in his closing rational of the 3RR report. He doesn't appear to be online either, do I re-list the 3RR report? Can you please review the case? --Mardavich 05:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
ROCKS FALL! EVERYONE DIES! - David Gerard 21:18, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
OHS NOES! ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 21:22, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
This conversation has been moved to WP:AN/I#block_review_regarding_.22admins_in_troublesome_user.27s_back_pocket.22. Apparently my block was justified, by overwhelming support. Who'd have thought, huh? Guess the allegations of "admins in this user's back pocket" were actually true.⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 18:10, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Note that you cannot issue permanent blocks for 3RR against established users (as opposed to trolling accounts etc.), as you are threatening on User_talk:Miskin. The user's "huge blocking log" you cite consists of six 3RR blocks spread over two years. The user has not been blocked since last September. The revert war you blocked Miskin for was against Dharmender6767 (talk · contribs), now indefblocked as a trolling account, which seems to indicate that Miskin wasn't so much indulging in mindless reverting but rather victim of a trolling attack. In view of this, your one month block is unjustified. You may well threaten to escalate to longer blocks if this continues, since the user is clearly aware of the 3RR and should know better. I am however reducing the block back to the original 24h period. dab (𒁳) 14:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
3RR is very clear. The user has 7 blocks for 3RR violations and disruptive editing. And you're saying that's acceptable? ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 16:42, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
I am uncomfortable with your attitude. You are a janitor here, not a sergeant-major. dab (𒁳) 19:27, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I was only a sergeant. Got kicked out of the army for a bad back. Continued on your talks.⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 19:33, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
Unresolved, but has been moved to WP:RFAR, now an open Arbitration case. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 07:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
You linked to a red link in your comment there. You may want to correct it. JoshuaZ 17:54, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
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Uh...ok? Wasn't mine, didn't know it was there, feel free to nuke. Not that the bot will see this. Anyway, no further action taken, resolved. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 07:59, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Well, I realize these are not exactly "cited". However, these edits are made from people at our school, and the staff monitors the page closely. Any vandalism or false information on this page from the students is quickly changed. I do not know how to go about citing the information. What annoys me the most is that a few of the articles people are goin by are wrong, yet Wikipedia says that they are right over the student body. I have a feeling that I know whats going on at our school, and would appreciate if you could infrom me on how to make it so that students who actually want a nice page can make one. --Dinjaga 05:03, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
The discussion pretty much died on the vine; unfortunately, I think Dave Pierre was more interested in spamming the page than in any long-term contributions. That's a shame - we could use a contributor like him. He showed some desire to grow and learn how to edit, but I think in the end he became too frustrated that he couldn't just write what he wanted. I haven't checked out the Conservapedia Al Franken page in awhile to see if he wrote that one or not. --David Shankbone 11:59, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case involving you has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Miskin. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Miskin/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Miskin/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee, - Penwhale | Blast him / Follow his steps 17:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Unresolved, in progress. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 08:02, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
SWATJester, I was wondering if you could take a look at Sanchi's latest statements on Talk:Warhammer 40,000. There's clearly no way to be reasonable here. MSJapan 03:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
No action will be taken here. As I told SanchiTachi to request assistance on AN/I next time, I'd offer the same to you. Resolved. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 08:03, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Hello,
An Arbitration case in which you commented has been opened: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/PalestineRemembered. Please add any evidence you may wish the arbitrators to consider to the evidence sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/PalestineRemembered/Evidence. You may also contribute to the case on the workshop sub-page, Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/PalestineRemembered/Workshop.
On behalf of the Arbitration Committee,--Srikeit 05:40, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I am curious as to the reasons for the edit and deletion of information on the absinthe page. The section edited is often a misunderstood one. I and those working on the page would be happy to correct, explain and/or source questioned sections, and thus a discussion or explanation would be nice. -- Ari 20:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Unresolved. I'll check it when I get a chance Ari, it may take a little while. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 08:04, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I have added some comments on your request for sources to the discussion page. I don't want to turn the page into advertising, so would be grateful for comments there. Thanks. Alanmoss 05:05, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
First of all, the Toronto Sun is a tabloid and should not be considered a reliable source. Secondly, simply having been arrested isn't enough to be included in the article of a living person. There should also be a conviction, and there is no proof of that whatsoever. My understanding is that the charges were dropped. Thirdly, the video isn't published by a reliable source, but is made by a neo-Nazi outfit and therefore shouldn't be included. It also looks to be libelous from the way it is described by the neo-Nazis. Therefore, Wikipedia shouldn't be promoting / linking / referring to it. Lastly, I've seen various videos online of the day in question, and they identify the person in the picture on the DVD box as being "Jose", not Shane Ruttle Martinez. So, I don't think your action was justifiable.
Frank Pais 14:29, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
What's [[1]] all about? We had some disagreements, but I fail to see what kind of "trouble" you had with me. I have abided by the Walther and Glock agreements. What's the deal? Griot 19:08, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Aaaaaand it's either off of AN/I now or going there quickly, with no other attention. Resolved, and sympathies for Griot for having to deal with that anon. complaint. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 07:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
If you look at the protection log, you'll see that the article was protected in June 2006 by User:Ilyanep and has not been unprotected since. So this is the first time since then that the article has been unprotected. But whatever, I have no interest in wheel warring. JACOPLANE • 2007-05-19 19:50
Hello Swatjester. The Firearms Wikiproject is having an infobox drive. The purpose of this is to ensure that most (if not all) of the articles within our scope have the relevant infoboxes. The start date will be May 28th. If you choose to participate, go to our project page and pick an article under the To-do list's Infobox section or look for firearm articles that need an infobox. Before you start editing an article, please cross it out on the list so that we don't have editor's work clashing. The drive will last for five days. If you are interested, please RSVP to LWF. Thank you, the Firearms Wikiproject. --Seed 2.0 09:23, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
I've answered your comment on my RfA. Thank you. The Transhumanist 21:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
So, myhighschooljournalism cannot be considered a reliable source even if the official high school paper is hosted there?
Also, do you mind if you visit Talk:University_High_School_(Los_Angeles,_California)#filming_on_campus_.28attn:_whisper.29 and comment about why it was deleted?
WhisperToMe 22:27, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey, Ms. Mondegreen is going to rewrite the section and add more sources (and diff. sources) - So, why not look at what she wrote once she is finished? WhisperToMe 14:18, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
...I suggest you come clean with what you know. Do 60 people need to be desysopped. I don't think so, I would like to think that all 60 weren't available. But I think I have a right to know who was involved, and I think you have a responsibility to share that information with ArbCom. My two cents, can't force anything, obviously. --badlydrawnjeff talk 03:42, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
I will be...what?⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 04:33, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
An admin, user:Jossi, spoke out on the page of Shane Ruttle Martinez to contest what you previous deemed as being proper for BLP in a similar way to passive wheel warring. I asked the admin to stop making claims without putting forth proof to reinforce the claims of BLP violation, and to not ignore the non-notable and non-verifiable sources that did existed in the page (which the admin refused to change, but was adamant about removing the ones already determined by you to fall under BLP). Then my user page was edited by User:Finell, with claims that I am not allowed to put quotations from Wiki essays on my user page (because he disagreed with it). That user then complained about my deleting of his edits and asking for him not to edit my user space in that way again. He complained here User_talk:Jossi#SanchiTachi.
Jossi responded with: "I do not know what I can do, really. He is already getting substantial feedback from many editors. If he persists with such aggressive behavior, a user RFC may be appropriate. ≈ jossi ≈ (talk) 02:23, 23 May 2007 (UTC)". However, if you look at User talk:Finell you will see: User_talk:Finell#Thank_you.2C_Finell.21 (by the same Jossi, based on the history saying it is user Jossi). The admin is showing a conflict of interest and I believe that Finell went on behalf to edit my page in some sort of revenge. I do not know why Jossi felt the need to not contact you about posting contrary to what you stated on the BLP issue (and in support of the edit-warrers who refuse to follow notability guidelines) or why Jossi's friends are not repremanded for defacing my user page.
There is too much bias and too much POV at the Shane page and among many of the growing cabal (is there some other way to describe 6 people who edit different pages in favor of the same POV?), and it seems to be spilling over in the worse ways. From the original BLP Noticeboard entry on Shane, it seemed obvious that Jossi was not interested in furthering the NPOV principle of Wikipedia on the BLP page (as I put on the Shane talk page, there are many less notable and verifiable sources than the Toronto Sun which Jossi refused to remove). I do not know where I should put my complaint against Jossi, and any advice you can give me would surely be appreciated. SanchiTachi 06:21, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
<snip> bunch of argument between User:SanchiTachi and User:Black as pitch</snip>
Seems our vandal wrote an apology on his talk page. I have no intention to unblock (and the autoblock has expired), but it's nice to see people sometimes understand they were out of line :). -- lucasbfr talk 10:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Denny Crane strikes again! :) --ElKevbo 20:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)Welcome! Resolved. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 08:59, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Can you unlock my talk page or are you gonna be a dick about it?70.244.40.189 07:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
Nah, thats okay, I'll just change IPs, just keep being a dick. I hope you like sucking on your own, thats if you got one. 70.244.40.189 20:46, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
"the trolls won"? Look, I am interested in hearing your opinion on the matter, but I don't want to re-raise the issue if this is what I'm going to get, and that's a lot of what I got last time.
The article has been unprotected, per my request, since commenting stopped, and I reinserted the section--though I put in the finished section this time. Page protection gave me a chance to finish writing what I was in the middle of yesterday.
I'm not sure to what extent you're aware, but there were questions of specificity and NPOV raised before you raised the issue of whether or not the hs newspaper was a valid source. I think the rewritting of the section and the addition of new sources has taken care of this, but if you could weigh in on the matter without starting a revert war, etc., etc. that would be great.
I would also very much be interested in hearing your opinions on high school newspapers as sources. It took a while to get to what the root of your issue with the sources was (I'm still not quite sure I get it--you disbelieve whatever you read in a newspaper unless you know the level of oversight that exists or unless you otherwise know the information to be factually correct?) and so that wasn't really talked about. If you don't want to weigh in on the discussion I hope will exist, that's fine of course. I'd really like to know what you were getting at, but please, discussion not a revert war (you already followed WP:BOLD and it worked), and polite discussion.
You may also be interested in User:Miss Mondegreen/Uni sandbox. In this sandbox, I've duplicated the article and removed the high school newspaper sources when written by students (articles written by teachers or administrators I've allowed). I don't put in a fact tag if it was just a duplicate source, but everywhere else I put in a fact tag every place I removed one of these sources. In some places it's clear that the source is only necessary because I'm directly quoting someone quoted in the article, and that I could easily get the material I'm using elsewhere (like the descriptions of why the school is popular for filming at the top of the filming section). Anyway, this gives a good sense of what types of things we're using the newspaper for, though it should be noted here that every newspaper source written by a student was removed. So even if we decide they weren't a reliable source for factual information, we'd use these articles as sources for the complaining editorials made. Miss Mondegreen talk 09:20, May 26 2007 (UTC)
--Too busy to get involved with it. Plus, I think you misunderstood my issue: I have no problem with the high school newspaper per se: it's still an unreliable source. For things that are positive about the school, or neutral, that's fine, not ideal, but fine. For negative things, that's unacceptable.
Now for the quote that says there were editorials (i.e. that the editorials exist), the paper is obviously fine for that. But for the other things, it was not acceptable. You kept saying that you had another source. So put it in there, instead. Multiple sources is the key.
Finally, as to the prior NPOV word choice news, I saw them but figured they had been resolved, I don't really care about them, and think they are moot as they don't belong there without a reliable source anyway.
As for my view on student papers in general, at the K-12 or equivalent level, they cannot be considered a reliable source. As for my personal knowledge, any fact checked paper is reliable, and college student papers are inherently considered to be reliable. If they're not fact checked, it's not that I don't believe them, it's that I can't rely on it to be true. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 09:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
You may be interested in participating in the WP:AN/I involving SanchiTachi. There is a need for more participation by admins.Finell (Talk) 05:49, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. I will stop posting over at that page. There is another wiki devoteed just to Warhammer (the two projects tend to shadow each other) and I am here solely to improve the Warhammer pages to contribute to their organization, as they are cited by many "info" sites. I am a doctoral student who uses Warhammer to blow off steam. As you can tell, disputes like this aren't really good. I am upset that Alison shrugged off my earlier raising of concerns about which page she blocked (and its troublesome when another admin removes said concerns about the action from the talk page). I will spend my time editing my sandbox. This is also one of the reasons why I left for three years (when push comes to shove, I care more about my dissertation and my degrees than Wikipedia). SanchiTachi 06:18, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Dear Swatjester:
Thank you for offering to mentor. I hope that SanchiTachi will accept guidance from you, where he has not accepted it from other admins or editors. At the same time I solicited your help with the WP:AN/I (and left the same message for several others), I also suggested on SanchiTachi's Talk page that he solicit the participation of other Wikipedians with whom he has had favorable experiences. He immediately deleted my message without reply. Here is the diff (note his edit comment): [2]
You might also want to point him to the following quotation that he features on his own User page:
Don't be a dick: "Don't be a dick" is the fundamental rule of all social spaces." "If you've been labeled as a dick, especially if you have been told this by several people in a particular community, it might be wise to consider the possibility that it is true. If you suspect that you may be a dick, the first step is to become aware of it. Ask yourself what behavior might be causing this perception. Try changing your behavior and your mode of presentation. In particular, identify the harsh words in your communications and replace them with softer ones."
Thanks again. Finell (Talk) 06:59, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for stepping in, Jester. I tried to help, but met with unexpected hostility. I had nearly lost all hope. –Gunslinger47 07:01, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for offering to help. As things seem to have calmed down I have started the ball rolling to find a solution that can be agreed on, so we can get the entry unlocked. [3] Thanks again. (Emperor 13:28, 26 May 2007 (UTC))
Quick question (its probably not that quick): User:SanchiTachi/Graphic_Novels_Current. Its about 50% of the way to where the original page was intended. As you can see, it discusses the works produced under the title "graphic novels" (the publishing companies title) and the cross promotional minatures and roleplaying games produced to tie the fiction with the actual game. Should I just put up a new page for this? The "consensus" over at the previous page was that they wanted to make a new page on comics, leaving out a substantial portion of the gaming material. I still don't understand why I can't have a page with the easy title of the publisher's section (which is used both by the book store and the miniature store and cross promotioned on both) to deal with these. Plus, there are already individual pages describing the comics/novels as comics and novels, but it would be inappropriate to put in some of the gaming material on those pages (it really wouldn't make sense on a page discussing the work as a book). But yeah. I would appreciate your imput. SanchiTachi 02:15, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Since you've appointed yourself as Sanchi's mentor, I'll bring this to you. Sanchi has created the page he mentions above: see Black Library gaming (Warhammer 40,000). I thought about AfD'ing it as a content fork, but Emperor wants to give him a chance to make it into what the title describes, so I'll go with that. However, I would at least like to see some cooperation from Sanchi on minor things, such as the fact that his lead doesn't have a bolded title or a clear purpose, and the article is unnecessarily disambiguated. As I'm facing the same unwillingness to listen or cooperate, I'd like your help in this matter. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:51, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
[4] I believe that speaks for itself. Note: 1. Someguy came to the page and moved it like he did with the previous page without asking why it ws titled the way it was (because there is an obvious project expansion into the Warhammer fantasy version), 2. He started editing things wholesale without looking at changes and reput in broken wiki links, wrong sources, etc etc. 3. Adding a "ref column" 2 would not change anything, as one ref has 5 important authors and takes up a whole page on its own, invalidating a second ref column, but he refuses to understand that 4. He has threatened me with more rules, didnt ask the project for consensus/explanation of why it determined such things, and has acted in the rule of an admin and ignored and future consensus. SanchiTachi 23:02, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I was doing research elsewhere
Ok first off: italics are correct. Sanchitachi did violate 3rr, over something stupid, and is blocked for 24 hours. It's a valid and appropriate block.Sanchi tachi was right that the word "games" should fall outside the italics.Finell: SanchiTachi may do almost whatever he wants with his talk page, including blanking things. That's perfectly acceptable. See elsewhere on my page, where I have removed a user's discussion because I frankly don't want to discuss it anymore. That's within any users right on their own talk page.
I'll check the licensing issue shortly.
Someguy: what is clear to you, may not be clear to others. Please try to remember this, it's a major aspect of assuming good faith. You believe you're right, SanchiTachi believes he is, you need to find out how to make it work to meet in the middle, not fight over it.
Bolding and other style issues are not something that needs or should be dealt with through me, nor should it be something you edit war over. I mean seriously, what the fuck. It's a freakin italic. Work it out. Consult outside opinions. File a WP:3O third opinion request. File a WP:RFC request (RFC's can be entirely civil and are good for articles like this that may not get a lot of outside viewers).
I note there is a lot of mentioning that SanchiTachi is getting riled up, and then calming down, and then rollercoasting like that. That should show you that he does have the capacity to be a good editor, and it's worth it for everyone's sanity to go the extra mile to keep everything calm, civil and collegial.
Finally, there's a lot of rules lawyering going on with both sides. Don't forget, there's an "ignore all rules" rule...I hate using it and I hate seeing others use it, but it IS valid sometime (sparingly). Throwing policy around at each other is annoying, and just exists to exacerbate problems. Please try and work things out WITHOUT using policy: common sense and judgement go a long way. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 10:34, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Unless I'm reading this wrong, I see nothing wrong with his licensing. His most restrictive licensing is the GFDL, which is the default for any submission. However, he's choosing to release some of his contributions into the public domain, which is even more free content than the GFDL, it has no restrictions of any kind. Many users multi-license their contributions under the GFDL as well as CC-by-SA (which is quite similar to GFDL). I'll look into it further though. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 10:46, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Basically what happens is this: SanchiTachi (ST) starts a page, all his edits are GFDL + PD. What he creates, anyone may freely do whatever they want with, per PD. ST's page is now edited by me. My edits are GFDL licensed only, and I edit one line. ST's original work is still PD. The new work is now GFDL, specifically my sentence. If my sentence were removed, we're left with the PD only text. Ok now backtracking lets say instead of editing, I just make a new paragraph. The page is still GFDL. My paragraph is GFDL. ST's paragraph ALONE (with my text removed) is still PD.
Very easy solution to all this: If you dislike GFDL, then multilicense under CC-by-SA, or if you don't like forward licenses, then just plain CC-by. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 13:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Swatjester, are you willing to continue to moderate the discussion at Talk:Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them? Lots of new activity in the last couple days. Your contribution was very helpful last time around, hope you're still available. -Pete 17:26, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
There is nothing wrong with the logo I uploaded and you are not supposed to touch my page. It is a sandbox page there for I can practice and edit my articles with out the fear or worring of someone messing with it.
--Muriness 21:57, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi SJ! SanchiTachi is up on ANI again as he's been blocked for 3RR and is requesting unblock. He's already been declined by Yamla and the blocking admin, Deskana, is at the end of their patience by the sound of things. I don't want to touch the guy for fear of accusations of who-knows-what, so I'm bringing it to your attention for review here - Alison ☺ 01:35, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Dear Swatjester: Now two pages in article space are protected, which loocks out productive editors as well, because of this one user. An admin also protected SanchiTachi's own talk page becasue of his misconduct. And he is under a 24-hour block for 3RR. Can you please do something to to straighten out SanchiTachi? He is wasting too much many admins and other users time. Thanks. Finell (Talk) 02:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
SJ - I know I said I'd hold off on filing that RfC but seriously, I think the time has come. Anyone else who was dishing out insults/attacks like this would have been blocked days ago. It cannot go on. Can you at least try to get through to them why this kind of behaviour is unacceptable, before they alienate the community any more than they have? - Alison ☺ 17:22, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Please note: Once my arbitration finishes, I intend to change my username. I've already reserved the account: User talk:SierraSix. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane.
You have some nerve buster, Listen I am not close to being blocked at all because I did nothing wrong and if there was something wrong it wouldnt have taken so long for someone to take action for the logo to be removed or w/e and what your doing is abusing your administrative powers, I should report you
--Muriness 21:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
If you would have read the logo information you would have seen it was fine and that you didnt need to tamper with it. Give me the page to were I can report you because this is nonsene. Everytime I go to create a article it is always deleted.
--Muriness 01:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Ah, I didn't use Template:WelcomeGreen or a personalized welcome template at all. It was Template:WelcomeMenu.;)
Btw, Swatjester, why didn't you use the WP:CHU process to have your username changed? (I know it's not my business anyway) Hope you have a great day! ~ Sincerely,PeaceNT 03:11, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm sure there's plenty of ways I could go about it. It'll probably be a full month before I get the chance to do it, which is why I reserved the name, so nobody takes it in that time. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 15:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi Swatjester. Just FYI, I thought I'd mention to you that I have posted on this subject at ANI. Ferrylodge 13:57, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
It's at the other end. ☺ Uncle G 10:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
Swatjester; the following is my "unblock" request:
Request reason: "(1)gross, deliberate breach of WP:AFD policy and procedures by User:Ben W Bell whose deletion was vandalism; my reverts were of vandalism - I was fully prepared to abide by due process - there is no limit to the number of times vandalism can be reverted;(2)biased administration that fails to enforce the policy as laid down, User talk:SqueakBox continued re-inserting the vandalism and breached the 3RR yet no action taken; (3) hysterical abuse by User:sony-youth (which persists after the block) indicates gross prejudice and abusive language by several others and combined with their ignoring of due process as laid out by Wiki policy means this whole thing was effectively a kangaroo court; no rules followed - except be myself, who was blocked.(Sarah777 07:11, 30 May 2007 (UTC))"
And your response:
Decline reason: "reason —No. Stop trolling and wait out your block. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 07:22, 30 May 2007 (UTC)"
Could you please explain your behavior in this matter? You provided no reason, instead delivered a gratuitous abusive comment. The block was for 3RR, which was inadvertent as I believed I was reverting vandalism. It was not for "trolling". (Sarah777 00:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC))
Is this user was allowed to continue edit in any wiki area?(Block log states that he is allowed only in arbcom case).See Special:Contributions/Miskin and User talk:Miskin.Regards.Must.T C 14:46, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Swatjester, I think you should release all information that you have on the issue. I have never questioned your integrity as a sysop, but I do think that you have been misguided by off-wiki communications. The published e-mail is elucidating, as it contains patent lies about me being ready to support Miskin in "whatever he does or says". I don't support him as a person, but I do support a certain set of principles that I feel have been neglected in this case. I challenge anyone to provide evidence that I have ever interacted with that particular user either on- or off- Wikipedia, or, better still, that I understand what the Miskin-Mardavich dispute was about, let alone have held some sort of interest in its outcome. Actually, I had not been aware of Miskin's existence before he was blocked. As for NikoSilver, I recall to have polemicized with him (or, rather, with Yannismarou) once over a Macedonia-related issue, where I felt they had been unfair towards User:Dahn. That's about all I know about him. --Ghirla-трёп- 19:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I have added mention of you at the Badlydrawnjeff arbitration case in relation to your recent deletion of two articles. As far as I am aware we have never spoken before and I am not aware of your edits or actions previous to this. I am not saying that the action mentioned on that page should occur, just that it is congruous to the proposal of the same action against me. violet/riga (t) 08:56, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
I am writing to express deepest thanks for helping in this situation. I turned to ArbCom because I was getting desperate, in a "It's him or me" kind of way (I didn't raise that because I didn't want to seem like I was trying to force things to go my way). I have been absolutely puzzled by this trolling; not because of the trolling, per se, but because of its longevity and absolute obsession with me. I suppose it's always unnerving when a person exhibits unstable behavior directed at a person, but this has been odd behavior directed at me since March. Scribe has been a great help, and he has a lot of gratitude from me. But I was feeling the short blocks were not getting the IP to change their behavior, but focus it to WP:GAME policies and guidelines in more and more clever ways. As User:Thatcher131 pointed to a problem I was already encountering when trying to deal with each new IP manifestation of this User, that when I reported it to an admin, "Unfortunately, many admins who watch there will be unaware that this is an ongoing problem, and will react by suggesting that this is a content dispute that should be addressed by talking about it, or that it is not serious enough vandalism to block without first going through the warning levels." Exactly. What I needed I received, which was an unequivocal statement that this User is now banned, and a diff to show that regardless of what this User attempts to do, no matter the clever manner or gaming of policies and guidelines that make their trolling and vandalization not apparent, I can point to a conclusive judgment on them. This happened to day, when an admin e-mailed me about my reverting the IP's comments on my FA candidacy for Tompkins Square Park Police Riot (what the IP used as an example of my vandalizing on their talk page). This well-meaning admin wrote in an e-mail that my removal of this IP criticizing me and my "lies" as "Consider the act that the IP points to as vandalism by you. I hate to say it,but it looks like .... vandalism by you." I kept coming across this, and it was very frustrating, which is why I took so much time to reconstruct their relentless behavior in one location. So, I want to say thank you, thank you, thank you, for your help and understanding. This unbalanced behavior has been odd to witness, and to have myself be the focal point of it. It was also becoming too time-consuming and too frustrating when I have a lot of other things I want to contribute and work on with the website. I am also flattered by the admin suggestion; unfortunately, I don't think I have the best temperment for such a position (I don't know how you guys do it) and I relish focusing on using my creativity to improve the site. But I also have an artistic temperment. That said, Wikipedia's guidelines of behavior have not only improved my editing and relating on this website, but also in my own life. I find myself telling other people to "assume good faith" often ("Don't assume he didn't call you because he is playing games with you, assume good faith--maybe he's just really busy, or maybe someone died...you never know.") That's Wikipedia. Dave --David Shankbone 04:54, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
No problem. By all accounts you followed the right path to ArbCom. But realistically, you could have just requested a longer block at AN/I, or if that didn't work, contacting an admin on talk instead, before requesting arbitration. In arbitration, it would have taken at least a week to get the guy blocked, if not more, and that's VERY conservative. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 05:36, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
Swatjester, I understand your concerns with Sarah777. As I understand, this advanced as a series of regrettable circumstances. Would you support an unblock on condition that you and Sarah drop your current issues? I've detailed my thoughts more at Sarah's talk page. Regards, Iamunknown 04:35, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I will then.
I don't know why you reverted my edit. The FBI suspect the same man took Jacob, so it is very much pertinent to the article. you might wanna read this.
I'm going to sleep now. I'll leave you with one thought: Just because we CAN have an article on someone, doesn't mean we SHOULD. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 08:19, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I know you edit the The Black Wall Street Records article, and I know you reverted the changes with non-notable members. However, someone keeps adding the current roster of artists with a source, even though they are not notable and do not have a Wikipedia page. What am I supposed to do? Should I leave the artists there or should I keep reverting? Thank you. --- Efil4tselaer: Resurrected 22:42, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I was "just" about to email you regarding AK's nom, dear Swat! :) I'm working on a draft that I should have finished tomorrow. I'll post it at my userspace so the three of us can review it and retouch it, and you can add your co-nom there. Sounds ok to you, sweetie? Love, Phaedriel - 04:02, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
It isn't obvious to me that the user in question violated WP:SOCK. You may want to take a look at his comments on his talk page and consider unblocking. (Possibly not since it looks like he was headed for an indef anyways). JoshuaZ 15:06, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
No, I will not leave this alone because I feel disrespected! And I did not disrupt anyone and the content I have here is sutable for wikipedia!
--Muriness 02:28, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Your blocking me for no reason. I fell this is unfail and this is abuse and I will continue to fight untill fair actions are taken or until we come to an agreement. and as far as the policy goes, I have read it, have YOU red it lateley?
--Muriness 02:34, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
04:09, 4 June 2007 Swatjester (Talk | contribs) (3,403 bytes) (→Artists - rv artists with no body of work)
All artists had cited sources refering to there signed status on The Black Wall Street Records, I suggest you revert this edit yourself as you have deleted the information for the reason "artists with no body of work". There are related pages for one artist, and the other two are to be made. But since the cited sources are evident pages are not neccesary for the input of those characters as they fall into the category The Black Wall Street Records.
04:12, 4 June 2007 Swatjester (Talk | contribs) (3,425 bytes) (tag)
Please give me your reason on why you thought it was neccesary to Block the editing due to one account of Vandalism, when the Vandalism had already been reverted by user User talk:Efil4tselaer: Resurrected
02:50, 4 June 2007 Efil4tselaer: Resurrected (Talk | contribs) (4,623 bytes) (rv vandalism with no imagination and horrid grammar.)
Im trying hard to believe that the two edits are not connected, but if they were then that is a serious misconduct on your behalf. I'll be eagerly awaiting your corrections.
KINGTEE 00:42, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
You might want to see this: scroll down, this, look at his signature (link to "his" talk page) carefully (???), this (I don't understand this at all, was he joking maybe?), and especially this (unless I am mistaken, you are not allowed to do that until de dispute is resolved). I think he means well, but if he continues this kind of behaviour he can get in a bit of trouble. --- Efil4tselaer: Resurrected 23:12, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
You didn't get him blocked. His inappropriate behavior did it himself. In regards to your questions: Simply add a / to the end of your username (which is pretty long, you might want to try changing it to a shorter one at WP:CHU),and then title that whatever, so for instance if you wanted a reviews page, say User:Efil4tselaer: Resurrected/albums. In general you can do quite a bit with your user page, however keep in mind it's not a webhost or myspace or anything, so extensive "home pages" stuff that strays too far from the purpose of the encyclopedia isn't permitted. Your suggestion sounds fine though, it publically acknowledges any biases you may have on those articles. Be sure to wikilink them, and be sure not to make the same mistake the guy below did, do NOT use any fair-use images in your user space (it loses it's fair use status and then becomes a copyright violation). Any images you put in your user space must be a free license, something like GFDL, CC, or Public Domain (PD). If you need help with a userpage, there are plenty of people who usually help. I think there is a wikiproject for it somewhere. Or, steal somebody that you like's and then change it to be your own. That's what I did, I took User:IAMTHEEGGMAN's page and modified it from green to blue. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 02:57, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
No, you don't need to create a new account. You simply create a new Wikipedia user page (but do NOT register a new account, that is unnecessary), with a slash, and then the title. For example, my user name is Swatjester. So I've made Swatjester/main . The easiest way to do this is like this: make a wikilink on your current user page to the page you want to make. For example, add the following to your userpage: [[User:Efil4tselaer: Resurrected/albums]]. Then, that will make a redlink appear there. You will click on that redlink, and edit the page however you want. At the top, it automatically makes a link back to your user page. (all pages with a /whatever after it are considered subpages of whatever is before the slash). Once you are satisfied, you can return to your userpage, and delete the link, which is now blue, or move it wherever you want, or something. It's best to keep a record of what user-subpages you've created. Sometimes you forget.
As for your second question: Fair use images are copyrighted images. 99% of the time, this includes album covers. They are sometimes ok to use in articles, but they are never ok to use in userpages. So you will be unable to include pictures of the album covers. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 01:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, images have to be uploaded. However the album covers are probably already uploaded on wikipedia. To be able to use them in your user space, the copyright owner would have to release them to Wikipedia under a free license, which also means that it would need to be verified by the Wikipedia permissions team. The odds of this happening are effectively zero. Your best bet is to just do the reviews without the album art. ⇒ SWATJester Denny Crane. 01:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
Dear Swat, I've just made a nomination draft here - please have a look, tell me what you think, and feel free to retouch whatever you want. You may also write your co-nom statement as soon as you want. Have fun! :) Love, Phaedriel - 10:40, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm still getting notices from User:BetacommandBot about rationale even though the below tag is placed on the image and discussion pages. Example: Image:Goodwood Plantation rc04488.jpg. As you probably know, the Florida Memory Project template was discarded leaving many images either deleted or with notices.
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What can be done? Need help from an administator. Noles1984 15:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
Since Ryulong speedy deleted the images in contention, (effectively ending the dispute), I humbly ask the page be unprotected at your earliest convenience (squabble is over). -N 07:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)