User talk:Blipblip
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on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 04:44, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Do not put protected tags on articles like that. The article is not protected and there is no reason for it to be so. Other editors may not be so willing to assume good faith and think that you are trying to take ownership of the article. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 04:44, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
hey genius, please stop stunting the progress of the aforementioned article by removing sourced material. with edits to inferior versions such as this.[1] - Deathrocker 23:10, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There are no sources available on the net for what you are claiming though. I'd have no problem at all with them being included if you could provide suitable sources... but you can't, whereas I can. - Deathrocker 23:44, 14 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
24 hours. 3RR violation on London After Midnight (band). You reverted 5 times in under 24 hours. Thatcher131 02:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Your edits to this article violate an important wikipedia policy on verifiability. Claims must be backed up be reliable sources. Your statement that Allmusic's entry on this band is "wrong" is a problem, because you need reliable sources for your assertions. If Allmusic is wrong and you have no other source, you can't say it. Sources do not have to be on line; it could be an interview in a magazine, for example. The band's own web site may be used carefully as a source for non-controversial information, but if there is a dispute, you must find reliable sources or leave it out. Thatcher131 02:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, when you are blocked you can still edit your own talk page to leave messages for other users or to request help. Thatcher131 04:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
here are some links you may find useful.
Thatcher131 04:40, 15 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You might want to try reading the article before making such claims. I changed the opening paragraph to read.
Personally I have only read sources (after researching) which have stated the band have featured Tamlyn & Brennan from 1990. (the year they formed) and then Areklett on bass from 92. You claimed otherwise yet cannot back up what you say, thus the need for the "citation needed" tag.
"Destroyed the bio" haha, you must be joking there? I am the only one who has provided something in the way of a biography... specific festivals the band have played, with whom, their beginings & progression from Los Angeles club level, etc. Even correcting the formating (as I have experience working on band articles here, and know the formating) What have you provided that is biographical?.. a variation which is largely ripped from the band's site.[2] With some random praise from certain media sections thrown in.
I don't know, nor care what your problem with Covet & Areklett is. But the information I put is sourced from their official page, you refuted the information and claimed that London After Midnight have stated otherwise in regards to the Covet material. So I put;
I have actually bent to include your POV, yet you refuse to work with anybody else on a variation, reverting hard work, which is very irritating. The only thing you seem to want to see is an "London After Midnight are TEH_BESTEST_BAND_EVA" article. Please read the NPOV policy because that is not acceptable by it. It has to be neutral and factual. Why you insist on blanking sections of the bands history is beyond me, it really is. - Deathrocker
Live music is entirely different to what is put out on a record; if you were fetching refreshments for the band as you claim, then you'd know this.
Please show me any pre-1996 reviews which describe LAM as "industrial", there aren't any. There are however, reviews from the release of Psycho Magnet onwards which describe the band as so.... the same year Marilyn Manson released Antichrist Superstar and two years after Nine Inch Nails released The Downward Spiral both of which were popular.
Alot of the L.A. scene moved towards industrial & darkwave at this time, I should know. It was not the style LAM experimented with prior to that.
I have read what you said... and all I have seen is somebody claiming to know what they're talking about, yet not proving it. You can't even provide a source for the stuff you claim, you just give a vague destination (which I've searched and found nothing)... unless you can provide a direct link, I'd refrain from acting in a bad faith, smarmy manner while addressing somebody who is trying to improve the article. - Deathrocker 05:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You seem to have misconceptions as to why I would be editing a band page. You do not know whether I like the band or not, you're just being presumptious and taking things I have said out of context. Why would I bother editing an article if I wanted to decrease the value of it?.. simple answer. I wouldn't.
1. I did not say London After Midnight ripped off MM, notice how you skirted carefully around NIN, but OK. Undeniably from Psycho Magnet onwards there were elements of industrial rock in both music and fashion that weren't there before (coincidentally or not, Industrial rock was at its peak in popularity around this time in 96). I don't have objections with you removing those band's names from the article but it is revelant to the article that industrial rock was at its peak in popularity at the time.
And the source you quoted half a sentence from is incorrect. Nine Inch Nails & Marilyn Manson formed in 1989, London After Midnight formed in 1990. (You can find this out merely by visiting their articles)
2. And what is your reason for removing important parts of the band's history? The band started in the goth/death rock club scene in L.A. The club you even mentioned Helter Skelter (where they played their first ever show) is the premier gothic rock club in LA.... what logical reason would you have to blank such information from the article?
They also covered a song from Nightmare Before Christmas, that is uneniable, why remove it from the article? You do not have to revert a whole version of an article just because you have a problem with one sentence.
3. I have read what you have written. I don't see what me being banned once or twice has to do with anything, but whatever. It is not my priority to come up with sources for things you have claimed; that is down to you. If you can come up with a direct source with Brennan saying "London After Midnight is essentially a solo band, with live musicians" then I don't not object to such information being incorporated into the article. I am willing to work with you on this but it is like talking to a brick wall.
And your blanking of Arklette's history in the band is unacceptable. He is a former member, fact. The source I cited for the Covet info was from an official site, fact. If London After Midnight have a different side of the story, then directly source it and include it along side. That is called a NPOV. - Deathrocker 07:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it is YOU who has the problem. You're jumping at everything in a parnoid manner, acting like every sentence is aiming to be an attack on that band (which isn't the case at all). You have the nerve to call me a "poor writer" when you refuse to contribute ANYTHING that isn't slanted headily towards praise of said article topic?
After your latest straight out revert and removal of sourced hard work.[3] I'm reporting you for trolling, hopefully it will lead to a ban or some stern advice which will make you re-think your editing actions. I have attempted very hard to aproach you to work on this, listening to your POV, incorporating elements that you have stated... yet you just straight out revert it all, whatever; I'e lost patience with you, but I'm not getting dragged into an editing war. - Deathrocker 08:45, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Regardless of the fact that everything you just replied with was untruthful. We'll see. As I said, it has been reported now, so it will be on the road to being sorted out... as evidently, attempting to work with you gets nobody anywhere here. You really should take some time to read the policies before you make your next edit, period. - Deathrocker 09:19, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks may lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. --Idont Havaname (Talk) 14:55, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Some quick comments because I theoretically am at work now.
I'll look in on this over the weekend and see how you are doing. Thatcher131 15:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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I've created a new version using elements of both your and my input. It was suggested to me by Thatcher that I fix the formatting, etc(such as the magazine references, as you aren't familar with it). This has also been done.
Please do not just "revert" the entire article, if there are elements you have a problem with, discuss it... and we can sort specific wording out to have in the article, once a concencus has been achieved. - Deathrocker 03:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Saying every band (sorry, “project”) who use elements of DIY or politics is somehow part of punk rock is as ignorant as claiming any band who has ever worn black are goth. It is a music form, with musical characteristics.
Black Sabbath wear black, they're not goth. U2, Kanye West and Michael Jackson are politically involved, they're not punk. The majority of all band's implement elements of DIY when they're starting out. Just most bands choose not to harp on about it like its some big achievement.
Britney Spears' use to drag herself off to talent contests and her mother took her out of town to showcase. They were "doing it themselves" when they were sending out self made video tapes and demo songs out to record companies when she was starting out. Next you'll be trying to claim she is "punk rock" because of this. A musical artist bragging that they've actually had to do something themselves is not a determining factor in what form of music they play.
The 80s stuff you are talking about is hardcore, that is entirely different; different musical characteristics, style of dress, location, ideology, etc, etc. And the 90s stuff you are talking about is even more distant. Punk rock; a movement from New York & the United Kingdom which started in the 1970s and ended in the early 80s, period. Educate yourself please.
On the subject of spelling; I made very few mistakes around 2. (which bots similar to the AntiVandalBot which you trigged earlier, fix) You replaced a misspelled word... with another misspelling. That puts you in no position to criticize on a relatively trivial thing.
How is including information of a cover song the band have created (which was part of a highly popular movie) not relevant?... you’re attempting to cover things up for some unknown reason. Like the band are embarrassed about their past and you want to white wash it for them with an alternative version?
I have read the lyrics to “The Bondage Song”; “take me to bed and rip me apart”... yes, I’m sure with that title and those lyrics, that it has nothing to do with sex. Come on, please be serious here. A drummer and bassist played on Selected Scenes.. search on MySpace group. Brennan and Arklette have both stated they did. - Deathrocker 05:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hello!
You have remove others comments or blanked this user talk page 11 times since July 21, 2006.
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It is regarded as inappropriate to edit or remove others comments from a talk page. Furthermore actively erasing non-harassing personal messages without replying (if a reply would be appropriate or polite) can be interpreted as uncivil or even hostile. (See the talk page guidelines and user talk page help.) But you are allowed to archive your talk page after a period of time. Sincerely, --Oden 14:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
ODEN- I have responded to this user with EACH AND EVERY MESSAGE. Try looking at his talk page for proof of this! I removed his messages because he is harassing me and posting stuff that is not true Try reading my responses on his page. How do you archive a page? I don't want his garbage littering my page. Why did you restore lies to the article on LAM? We are supposed to be able to edit the articles for accuracy. Deathrocker continually posts PERSONAL OPINION and stuff that I've shown repeatedly to be false. Why are you allowing this and constantly blanking my edits?--Blipblip 20:26, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sincerely, --Oden 22:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How was I harassing? By pointing out that he misspelled words? How else am I to communicate these things if I can't tell him he can't spell and has wrong information? I tried to do this civilly and he's been acting like a thug. His history of being banned and disruptive editing continues in this case. This has escalated primarily due to his attitude and refusal to actually understand my edits and additions to the page.
Sorry- I misread the History page. Someone restored Deathrocker's article, I thought I'd read it was you. This person, (perhaps Deathrocker being annoymous?), erased all of my edits, which were very important edits since his is so full of not only misinformation, but spelling and grammar errors. You have 2 edits immediately following that "restoral" so I thought it might be you who did that.
Deathrocker's article contains things that are not true as I've pointed out. Also the wording on some things is misleading. He continually ignores major points like the distinction between LAM being Sean Brennan and the live members (when there are live members) being primarily that, live members. He asserts personal opinion and unsourced claims in his article, etc. Why is this allowed? Why can't I have input in this especially since Deathrocker has repeatedly shown his ignorance of the facts in regard to LAM as I have pointed out?
One thing- I was unaware that you couldn't do what you wanted with your own wiki page. I have seen several that have been very customized. It was my impression that this talk page was sort of like a message center. I deleted the comments for clarity.--Blipblip 23:32, 18 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oden, I have tried this. But Deathrocker continually ignores the major points of my changes and keep restoring his verison without even considering that he may be at fault. So what can be done then?--Blipblip 02:42, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The article on Sean Brennan was removed per WP:BIO. The reason given by the editor was "If, as it appears from this article, Brennan's only source of notability is in connection with the band, then this page should be a redirect". The page now redirects to London After Midnight (band). --Oden 00:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good, the article was not started by me and was unwanted by Brennan anyway.