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If another tank was to be developed, would it be called T-100 something?
-G
Probably not. Usually Russian tanks are named after the year in which they started to be developed or entered in Production, so it would be tentative to think that Russian tanks developed in the XXI century can be called maybe "T-2008" for example, or maybe they'll be switching to a more "western-like" tradition of naming their tanks as in the case of the Obiekt 640 (speculative T-94/95) which has as name "Chyorniy Oryol" (Чёрний Орёл or "Black Eagle" in Russian) and the "Bars" (Барс or "Snow Leopard" in Russian) which is the designation for an already-in-production model of the T-80, the T-80UD. I would like Russia to keep with that tradition of naming their tanks after the year in which they were created even though it wouldn't be as practical if they used 4 digit numbers by using the whole year like I exemplified.Probably they may lean to name them something like "T-05" or "T-10 II". Or maybe they'll be given a mxture of the prototype and tank tame, for example naming the "Obiekt 640" as T-640. ~ ~ ~ ~ZealotKommunizma
The Black Eagle article claims Objekt 640 is the name of that design. This article describes a different tank, so one of the two is wrong. Alternately this entire article could be incorrect and the speculative nature of the content really referring to early reports about the Black Eagle. Maury 20:16, 25 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]
http://btvt.narod.ru/3/640.htmhttp://worldweapon.ru/tank/640.phphttp://altnet.ru/~military/?btvt/tank/2000/russia/blackeagle/index.htm
I hope this will make clear that the Black Eagle and the Obiekt 640 are the same tank.
The main speculations regarding to this tank, as far as I can see are:
1. Either if its production has started/continues or has been halted due to lack of funding. Lets remember lack of funding seems to be around 2001-2002, and taking into account late Russia's investments on weaponry it's very likely that, if production has been halted then it has been resumed.
2. Its official tank designation. Some call it T-94 others T-95, even some sources call it "T-80UD II" (mainly derived from the fact that some prototypes are the Black Eagle Turret over a T-80UD hull). As long as this tank remains prototype its official designation is pure speculation. Nonetheless what is not specualtion is wether the "Black Eagle" and the "Obiekt 640" are the same tank. I think there's a heavy load of information stating they are the same development.
3. The caliber of its gun which is being speculated to range from 125mm typical Soviet caliber to even 152mm with some versions being 130mm, 135mm and 140mm.
4. Wether if it's being developed for internal use or export Market. I think in this case it will be both. ~ ~ ~ ~ ZealotKommunizma
Evidently the article, as Maury seems to have stated, is refering to another tank, the so called "Obiekt 195". I think this must be changed, I have allowed myself to make some changes to the article if the editors don't mind. ~ ~ ~ ~ ZealotKommunizma
This is the original tex which I have changed for the present one:
The T-94 or T-95 is a prototype main battle tank, currently in development in the Russian Federation. Most information about this tank is speculative. The tank is said to be of a novel design, with a very large smooth bore tank gun of approximately 152 mm calibre, in a remotely-controlled mount. Such an arrangement increases crew survivability, because the crew compartment is separated from the ready ammunition supply, and would be completely hidden when the tank is in a hull-down position. The crew will number just 3, all being carried within the hull itself.
Historically, Russian tanks are given official designations when they are adopted for production, so even the name T-95 is speculative. The actual current GABTU code of the vehicle is Obyekt 640 (Russian: Объект 640).
The current status of this project is unknown, it is possible that it has been frozen due to lack of funds and limited interest in the radically new design in the current geo-political situation. 201.128.98.189 03:37, 26 August 2006 (UTC)ZealotKommunizma[reply]
I see that what I wrote was reverted to almost the original article that I substituted. I'm not against it, nonetheless it returns to the confusion that was present in the original article. It must be clear that the tank described within this article is being confused with the "Black Eagle" or Obiekt 640.
The reason why I think both Ob. 640 and Ob. 195 should be included and both described in the article is that, in case any of the tanks was approved for production and entered service, any of the both can be called T-95.
However for the sake of accuracy both tanks shall not be confused. Ob 195 is readically different from Ob. 640. Once again the tank described within the article is the Ob 195 and is beaing denominated Ob. 640. This is incorrect and shall not permitted.
I start to think that the one who reverted the article is one of those opposed to unregistered users' edition of articles since this person gave no reason to change the article, which, I must point out once again, is completely inaccurate and misleading. I hope "official" editors can get to a consence on whether the article should stay as it is or be changed. And even so it is in urge to be expanded since it's very small and there's more information than the one that appears here in other sites in the net.
So well... for now, for the sake of the article, I will restitute the article as I modified it and won't desist until a good reason for the permanence of the until now current article is given.201.128.98.189 23:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)ZealotKommunizma[reply]
This article anyway is on a speculative name which could be applied to any of the prototypes if entered production, so if the Ob. 640 was to be mentioned here as having this possible designation, then, I thought a diferentiation between it and the Ob. 640 was to be done. As I said, I agree with you that the best was to avoid mentioning the Ob. 640 here as the "T-95". But also the denomination "T-95" remains speculative since none has entered production and it could be a possible denomination to any of them.
And I apologize about that, how to say... precipitated accusation, it just seemed so to me on the start. 201.128.98.189 09:18, 2 September 2006 (UTC) ZealotKommunizma[reply]
The recent addition refers to a lenta.ru news item. The Lenta item merely cites defencetalk.com, and then repeats all of the rumours and extrapolation. The only relevant defencetalk article is a syndicated report from Agence France-Presse (AFP), which paraphrases a statement by an anonymous diplomat—barely more than rumour. —Michael Z. 2006-09-11 17:04 Z
Take a look at this thread on modernwarstudies.net; points to an article that claims that the T-90 may be sold to Saudi Arabia; not the T-95. JonCatalan 17:42, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Russia is resuming its milltary pardes as we all know that under the cold war new tanks has ben showed to the public under the parades so they might show the T-95 the parade wil be in May 9 2008 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.175.5.65 (talk) 10:30, 27 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Dont think so :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.152.238.48 (talk) 14:25, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Today I've had some talk about T-95 with one quite reputable and informed source, and the guy said that T-95 actually is not a one tank, but is in fact a semi-official designation of a design competition, where all three main tank development centers present their project. He said that between Omsk, Chelyabinsk and St.Pete there are five projects that entered the contest, and of them three prototypes are already built and are now being tested. I believe we could include it into the text, even if under the "rumors" title, as it looks convincing. --Khathi (talk) 16:58, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Huh I always heard it was gonna be called the T-100 and there was an article about it(not the WWII version) why it's called the T-95?--76.94.173.73 (talk) 03:58, 5 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Recently someone deleted the section on the T-95 being cancelled in may 1010 (and the three sources confirming the cancellation) and replaced it with an op-ed piece from march 2010 saying how good the tank might be if ever released. Apparently this was their evidence that the tank had not been cancelled, just delayed.
Firstly, May 2010 is AFTER march 2010, your op-ed piece is out of date. Secondly, had they checked any of the three sources confirming the cancellation of the project, they would have seen links to the actual press conference where the cancellation was announced. The cancellation of the T-95 is a fact. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.152.95.1 (talk) 13:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Still occurring. Addition of POV and unverified material will be deleted. Keep adding it, and it becomes vandalism. King Pickle (talk) 14:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Its baffling why this is being deleted. I included THREE sources, including a press conference where the Russian minister of Defence announces the formal cancellation. So please, enlightne us all. If three independent Russian sources including the formal announcement of the cancellation does not count as 'evidence' to you, then pray tell, what does? This truly is simple vandalism.
By the way, there are clearly three people (at least) editing this article, can i suggest rather than just reverting all the time, we discuss the issue here? The fact is that the T-95 has been cancelled, I have provided five sources to this, and if you like I can provide more. The SINGLE March 2010 op-ed the 'deleter' cites (from 6 weeks before the cancellation) about how good the tank might be, is irrelevant. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.152.95.1 (talk) 12:42, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Finally, since the 'deleter' seem to be basing your entire claims of the T-95 NOT being cancelled on a single Rian news agency op-ed from March of 2010 (six weeks before the cancellation was announced), I think you may be interested by the latest source I added, another article (news article, not an op-ed) from the SAME Russian news agency, from June 2010, stating the tank HAS been cancelled. I trust that should put this whole debate to rest... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.152.95.1 (talk) 12:49, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Listen you and general Popovkin too !
Here is the article about the Russian President Medvedev, approving the development of advanced russian military projects of 21. century.
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20100628/159612679.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.10.19.102 (talk) 13:53, 29 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The production of T-95 tank is NOT cancelled and Uralvagonzavod company has stressed many times now, that the prototype of T-95 tank has been build and showed on Nizhny Tagil - Russian Defence Expo 2010. Even Russian state arms export company Rosoboronexport reported many times, that the private show of T-95 tank was held for invited guests on test polygon "miner" in Nizhny Tagil - 2010.
CEO of Uralvagonzavod company mr. Siyenko, Minister Alexander Petrov and the President of Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation of Russian Federation Konstantin Biryulin has dismised the falls speculations of general Popovkin. They all said that T-95 tank will be mass produced in Uralvagonzavod plant.
Even the Minister for Industry and Trade of Russian Federation mr. Viktor Khristenko who was at the opening ceremony of Russian Defence Expo 2010 in Nizhny Tagil confirmed that new advanced arms projects was demonstrated for the first time in Nizhny Tagil.
I must warn you that I am prepared for long term total war with you and everybody else who will try to dismiss this informations and try to revers this offical reports of T-95 project.
I am prepared to fight with you all the way to the end. I am ready to deal with you on all posible ways. Even if we will need the asistance of police and justice authorities.
I am preapared and ready to face with you ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.157.135.86 (talk) 10:35, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
STOP. Please keep all discussion to the content dispute at hand. Personal attacks on other editors must stop --Errant Tmorton166(Talk) 14:21, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply] |
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Listen: I am not sure how often this needs to be repeated, but I will try once more. The T-95 has been cancelled. This is not, as you keep trying to claim, 'lies spread by western media'. That is a particularily laughable claim considering every one of the SEVEN sources evidencing the cancellation of the T-95 are Russian. You also keep trying to reference an article from March talking about how the T-95 might be produced, which is completely irrelevant considering the OFFICIAL announcement about the tank's cancellation was made two months later. You can see for yourself, as one of the posted sources IS the official news conmference where the cancellation of the tank was announced. Now you come on and claim that the Tank was revealed at the Arms Expo, except that the link you provide makes no mention WHATSOEVER of the T-95, nor does the schedule or display list of the Expo, nor does a an internal search of their entire site. In other words, your repeated editing of this page, removing proven sources facts and replacing them with unsources made-up tripe is nothing but Vandalism. Please knock it off: if you do it again it will be reported to wiki authorities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.152.95.1 (talk) 07:28, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As to your repeated vandalism, can we PLEASE stick to facts, not wishful thinking? The Russian government has cancelled the tank, this fact is not questionable (please see 7 independent russian links cited in article). The tank may have been displayed at the 2010 expo, though Tass is actually reporting the tank displayed was an upgraded T-90, we DONT KNOW. One way or another the status of the project remains cancelled unless the Russian government and military change their minds. These are proven, evidenced FACTS, please stop substituting what is real with what you WISH were real...
Private show of T-95 tank was now held on Russian Defence Expo 2010 in Nizhny Tagil . In April 2010, deputy defense minister of Russia Vladimir Popovkin said that the Defense Ministry has stopped funding the development of T-95 tank project and close it. In early July 2010, as reported by "UralInformByuro« Minister of Industry and Science in Sverdlovsk region, Alexander Petrov said that Uralvagonzavod will soon finalize a T-95 tank and produce it independently. According to Minister Alexander Petrov, the deputy defense minister Vladimir Popovkin decision to close the project "Object 195" was premature, and that the new tank will be in demand by customers. http://lenta.ru/news/2010/07/15/t95/ How many times you need aditional sourcess and aprovals from high Ministry, Military and Industry officials of Russian Federation, that "Object-195" new generation battle tank exists and it is real ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.10.20.152 (talk) 00:36, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply] Gen. Popovkin is histrory ! His speculations are now officialy rejected by the highest Industry and Government officials of Russian Federation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.10.20.152 (talk) 00:42, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Popovkin is NOT history, his statement has bbeen confirmed by every media outlet in Russia, including in a second interview when he confirmed his statements. The Russia government has ended all involvement in the T-95 project, they will not fund it and they will not buy it. PERIOD. This has been cobnfirmed by a half dozen sources cited in the wiki article you keep deleting. Uralvagonzavod is trying to continue to produce the tank independently, but with no funding and no export licence, this is incredibly unlikely. these are facts, please stop VANDALISING the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.152.95.1 (talk) 08:53, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply] You are schichofrenic who needs psychiatric help. You have been reported to Wiki authorities. You are the only vandal here ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.157.135.86 (talk) 20:10, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply] You must understand that I will never end editing your continous lies, conspiracy theories and soeculations you are posting here !STOP VANDALISING YOU PATIENT !!!!!!!!!!!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.157.135.86 (talk) 20:21, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The production of T-95 tank is NOT cancelled and Uralvagonzavod company has stressed many times now, that the prototype of T-95 tank has been build and showed on Nizhny Tagil - Russian Defence Expo 2010. Even Russian state arms export company Rosoboronexport reported many times, that the private show of T-95 tank was held for invited guests on test polygon "miner" in Nizhny Tagil - 2010. CEO of Uralvagonzavod company mr. Siyenko, Minister Alexander Petrov and the President of Federal Service for Military-Technical Cooperation of Russian Federation Konstantin Biryulin has dismised the falls speculations of general Popovkin. They all said that T-95 tank will be mass produced in Uralvagonzavod plant. I must warn you that I am prepared for long term total war with you and everybody else who will try to dismiss this informations and try to revers this offical reports of T-95 project.I am prepared to fight with you all the way to the end. I am ready to deal with you on all posible ways. Even if we will need the asistance of police and justice authorities. I am preapared and ready to face with you ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.157.135.86 (talk) 10:37, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Private show of T-95 tank was now held on Russian Defence Expo 2010 in Nizhny Tagil . In April 2010, deputy defense minister of Russia Vladimir Popovkin said that the Defense Ministry has stopped funding the development of T-95 tank project and close it. In early July 2010, as reported by "UralInformByuro« Minister of Industry and Science in Sverdlovsk region, Alexander Petrov said that Uralvagonzavod will soon finalize a T-95 tank and produce it independently. According to Minister Alexander Petrov, the deputy defense minister Vladimir Popovkin decision to close the project T-95 "Object 195" was premature, and that the new tank will be in demand by customers." http://lenta.ru/news/2010/07/15/t95/ This is the exact translation of Minister Alexander Petrov statesment that was published on Lenta.ru article Everything else is your own interpretation and deliberate falsification of the sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.157.135.86 (talk) 12:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
You and general Popovkin and tons of other cospirators are totaly biased information source about Russian Military Projects. Ministers, CEO of Uralvagonzavod and Rosoboronexport denounced spuculations of tank cancelation many times now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.157.135.86 (talk) 13:22, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply] Even the greatest russian conspiracy theorist of all times from "Novaya-Gazeta" newspaper Pavel Felgenhauer cannot prove anything about T-95 project cancelation. He do not posses anything usefull to prove his ridiclous fantasys. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.157.135.86 (talk) 13:37, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Why don't you all agree in middle ground? The Russian military has stated it will not fund or purchase the tank in it's current state but the producing company is continuing work on it so whilst the contract has been cancelled the actual tank could still be counted as existing and could potentially be resupported by the military if they felt it was improved enough to meet their needs. 86.133.56.137 (talk) 20:29, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Why don't you all agree in middle ground ?" Becouse we cant. Becouse this terorist here is keep editing the russian media reports and russian federation ministry approvals of T-95 project. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.10.20.109 (talk) 14:07, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply] |
Please continue a sensible discussion below here --Errant Tmorton166(Talk) 14:21, 7 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Does not mean cancellation of project, which uralvagonzavod is continuing independently. It may still be available for input by foreign investors or even the Russian government once the modernization of the airforce stops sapping the budget. 99.236.221.124 (talk) 17:52, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I took alot of speculation out and put things into the past tense. DON'T change it back please. - Heaney555z (talk) 15:37, 18 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's the 2A83. The source that is linked to actually says that. I am going to assumed '2A81' is a typo. MicroBalrog (talk) 09:00, 14 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]