Talk:Cuisine of St. Louis
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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 18 January 2023 and 5 May 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Chckn nug (article contribs). Peer reviewers: LRonHoover03, Mantaray2.
— Assignment last updated by Mantaray2 (talk) 18:24, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Feels like they have become notably significant to worthy a mention in the article. 23.84.78.178 (talk) 08:41, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please see The "St. Louis Cuisine" Wikipedia Page is Hilarious. Erxnmedia (talk) 17:24, 11 March 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Ɱ: I've reverted for several reasons which include that some of the restored material is uncited (the onus is on you before restoring), some do not have reliable sources although there are citations, and there was too much in the way of commercial interests. I also gutted some of this because I blocked this promotional editor and cleaned their crap out. None of that is to be restored.
Examples of garbage in article previously that you had restored:
Mayfair salad dressing is a salad dressing incorporating anchovy, created at St. Louis's first five-star restaurant,[1] The Mayfair Room, at the Mayfair Hotel, downtown.
Who cares? As it is written, it is nothing more than a trivial blurb (brain fart). There is no explanation of its significance nor of its popularity. Worse, like much of the article, it does not tell a first time reader anything about St. Louis cuisine. There's a dressing that has anchovies in it, big deal. Caesar dressing does too. Far too much of the focus here has been on restaurants, giving credits (for what? since good prose is missing on the actual food), and promotional detritus which is what the above really is. That is promo crap. Trying to mention a list of barbecue restaurants is just inviting trouble as it will be subject to creep. This isn't List of restaurants in St. Louis and this article reads terribly to the uninitiated. Focus on the food itself and nothing else.
No one should be linking to restaurant sites. Use books, journals, magazines, newspapers to make a quality article.
— Berean Hunter (talk) 14:15, 17 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I first removed this and was reverted. Being common in St. Louis isn't enough, hamburgers and hot dogs are popular in St. Louis but you would be doing a disservice in watering the article down with that. More to the point, no one has apparently read it or tried to bring it in line with what is written elsewhere about St. Louis pork steaks. What I reverted said, "In St. Louis, one of the most common pork dishes is the pork steak, a shoulder cut that is slow-cooked until it becomes very tender, then grilled." That seems to be precisely the opposite from the impression given by St. Louis-style barbecue where Raichlen is sourced "These are usually grilled rather than slow-cooked over indirect heat with smoke which is typically associated with the term barbecue in the United States.[1]" Raichlen is sourced and the statement I reverted isn't but is contradictory.
The pork steaks are grilled first and then sauced right? What I reverted doesn't make sense. Cuts of meat that are cooked to tender won't make it to the grill without falling apart and if it is that tender why would you grill it? This is why sources would help and are needed for WP:V. I'm not going to play one edit, mother-may-I. If I get reverted for something so simple where the language is so far out of whack then we need to strip the article to get it back on focus. I do think that there is a place for mentioning pork steaks in this article as it is a dish that is associated with St. Louis.
On my talk page, I have been associated as a deletionist. The deletion happened because I intended to address several issues but was quickly reverted and I'm not addressing them now as piecemeal only to run the gamut of 3RR with small moves, so you get that with less granularity as I make a single larger edit. The rationale used to revert me was incorrect.
— Berean Hunter (talk) 01:02, 4 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]
To editor Yamaguchi先生: Can you explain your reversion? The IP provided better sources and removed a lot of questionable material. Chris Troutman (talk) 23:19, 13 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The "History" section of the article is totally focused on the history of St. Louis city. As per the article name, the "History" section of the article should have contained material about the cuisines from this region, it's evolution and influence on other culinary styles.Suman chowdhury 22 (talk) 19:28, 28 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if it should be put in this article, but maybe "Saint Louis Style Barbecue" should be mentioned here.Vincent Ree (talk) 15:57, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
This article has a lot of history:https://stljewishlight.org/jewishfood/lost-tables/remembering-when-and-where-you-could-buy-brains-for-25%C2%A2/And the article really needs to include a photo of Harvey's (if they are not copyrighted) Biolprof (talk) 04:02, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, this page was all over the place. I rewrote a lot of the content, and addressed several issues people have brought up on the Talk page, over the years.
I provided additional citations so every section has at least one, and linked to more related articles.
The history section was truly about the city and not about its cuisine, so I folded that into the intro paragraph, noting how much of the cuisine and dishes specific to St. Louis were a result of the city’s immigrant population.
I did remove the brain sandwiches paragraph. I don’t dispute that it once existed in St. Louis, but it seems to be so uncommon, and appears to be much more an Indiana state thing than a St. Louis thing. Happy to have it back on the page if there can be some St. Louis-specific citations. Otherwise, I think it doesn’t belong here. Louie Mantia (talk) 07:21, 26 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i love how people edit this just for clout and never do any actual research, like why are you editing stuff you aren't interested in researching you just like the power of editing wikipedia lmao — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.12.96.202 (talk) 22:32, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]