Talk:Sandringham, Norfolk

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The result of the move request was: Not moved. There is consensus against the original proposal of making Sandringham, Norfolk the primary topic, and no consensus either way on the question of making Sandringham be a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT to Sandringham House. If participants wish to pursue that proposal, I suggest they start a new RM for it over at Talk:Sandringham.  — Amakuru (talk) 20:20, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

• Sandringham, Norfolk → Sandringham
• Sandringham → Sandringham (disambiguation)

– Primary topic, this Sandringham got 13,079 views compared with 1,073 for the Victoria one, 217 for the NZ one, 164 for the NSW one, 134 for the Gauteng one, 36 for the Newfoundland and Labrador one, and 21 for the Queensland one. This means that the Norfolk one gets over 7x the views of the others combined and while that in its self would not IMO be enough for a primary topic Sandringham House which is in the Norfolk one (see WP:DABCONCEPT) got 97,820 views [[1]]. All of the others that give the origin of the name give it to the Norfolk one and its likely that all of the others are derived from this one. Google and Images only appear to show results for this one but that's probably because of my location. The house is the private home of Elizabeth II. Also note that the house article is a featured article and is ranked high importance for WikiProject United Kingdom, England and British Royalty. Its also top importance on WikiProject East Anglia. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:51, 30 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose, strongly No indication of a clear primary topic here. Moreover, no indication that the Sandringham in Norfolk, England, is even the primary topic of the Sandringhams. We are losing dab pages to relegated titles with a parenthetical qualifier, where serendipitous discovery will simply not occur. It is unreasonable to expect that we can gaze into a crystal ball and determine the reader's intention. As an aside, I also believe that, with the exception of companies and people, WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is our most asinine content policy that serves no functional purpose. WP:RECENTISM is also applicable here, given the interest in Megxit and the Royal conclave in the Sandringham in England. At minimum, let's revisit this in a year when the pageviews won't be skewed beyond belief. --Doug Mehus T·C 21:23, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose, I think 10x the other topics combined is the standard for WP:PRIMARYTOPICs, so we're not quite there.--Ortizesp (talk) 02:18, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

@Ortizesp: that is not the standard. The standard is "much more likely than any other single topic, and more likely than all the other topics combined". Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:26, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose. The primary topic by page views is Sandringham House, The Queen's residence in Sandringham, Norfolk, and in my opinion is what most people mean when they refer to "Sandringham". Pageviews [2]. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 16:36, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

  Shhhnotsoloud, Yeah, I'm not still not sure we get to Sandringham House as the primary topic, but that's a really good point. That certainly rules out Sandringham, Norfolk. In any event, I think, rather than crystal ball gazing, the dab page is appropriately named, not too long, and it's to standard so users can find their way in only one or two clicks. Doug Mehus T·C 17:02, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

  Per WP:DABCONCEPT since the house is in the village it can be primary by extension of the house, see Liverpool and Cambridge for similar examples. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:16, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

  Crouch, Swale But those are also, arguably, even more well known towns (if not cities). I'm not sure they're comparable examples. And, at the end of the day, if most people are searching for Sandringham House, how does a hatnote at Sandringham help them any better than the dab page, particularly since we're only guessing they're looking for Sandringham House in Sandringham, Norfolk. Doug Mehus T·C 18:56, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

  If the house is better known than the village then that counts in favour not against the village being primary. Many subjects have sub topics that are better known than the main article. If people are searching for the house with just "Sandringham" then they'll find a blue link to the house. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:01, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose as written, but make Sandringham a primary redirect to Sandringham House. It's almost always referred to simply as Sandringham and it's the clear primary topic. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:45, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

  I wouldn't support that. It's just another excuse to relegate a dab page to an obscure URL with a parenthetical qualifier when the primary topic isn't so clear in a global encyclopedia, particularly in light of recent events. Doug Mehus T·C 16:44, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

  Doesn't that support having the village as primary per WP:DABCONCEPT similar to the fact that "Glastonbury" often refers to the music festival but we place the town at the base name and the festival has a link in text. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:19, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

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