Talk:Rutland Railroad

There ought to be a section on Predecessors of the Rutland Railroad, if not then a whole new article. The Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains/ICC valuations/Rutland Railroad might have some info for such actions. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 21:34, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

With regard to Phineas Gage's amazing accident, I'd be very interested to hear from anyone with information about the construction of the R&B, particularly the identities of the contractors or anything about business practices related to the construction. EEng (talk) 01:15, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Parts of this article appear to have been copied from "The Historical Guide to North American Railroads" (Kalmbach - ISBN 0-89024-356-5) 78.148.232.163 (talk) 13:37, 21 June 2015 (UTC)

Really? How much? ---------User:DanTD (talk) 16:51, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

Almost all of it, as I've just discovered. The pre-copyvio text is at Rutland Railway. Mackensen (talk) 02:07, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

I've moved that article to here. DrKay (talk) 09:33, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

@DrKay: perfect, thank you! Mackensen (talk) 11:03, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Your article mentions this Branch abandonment as if it occurred after the entire RR shut-down in 1961. In fact, it was torn-up way back in 1951. Suggest you put the article portion on the Chatham line well before the other, post-abandonment demolitions(Burlington-Norwood, NY). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1004:B16E:B2FF:EC57:D962:792A:9B0D (talk) 02:04, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Present article now discusses this line abandonment/ demolition along with the post-closure abandonments (1961-on): mainly Burlington-Norwood, NY. In fact, the Corkscrew was torn-up a full decade earlier, in 1951. Suggest you move the Corkscrew portion well ahead of the rest, as part of the Rutland’s post-WW2 cost reduction efforts. Also, part of the postwar cost reduction activity was retiring all steam in 1953, not 1955. All of the steam sat dead from 1953-1955, when the entire steam fleet was finally sold for scrap. 2600:1004:B16E:B2FF:EC57:D962:792A:9B0D (talk) 02:11, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

The Rutland closed permanently in 1961, not 1963, after one too many strikes. The Vermont legislature kept it dormant (no trains at all) for two years to try to find a buyer, with no success. Finally, when the State of Vermont abandoned its search, only then did demolition of Burlington-Norwood, NY begin. Thus, actual shutdown must be listed as 1962 to be accurate. Correct this error in the present text. 2600:1004:B16E:B2FF:EC57:D962:792A:9B0D (talk) 23:14, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Typo in my prior comment: correct closure date is 1961, not 1963. 2600:1004:B16E:B2FF:EC57:D962:792A:9B0D (talk) 23:17, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

• We'll need a reliable source saying all this. EEng 00:34, 10 December 2021 (UTC)

Source for all facts is the Rutland RR Historical Society, which has forgotten more about the Rutland than any of your busybody deleters will ever know.SEE www.rutlandrrorg or give them a call . Do you really want me to have go back and cite this source for each correction?Also, timeline is drastically out of order in the current text. I made it right, at last. READ ALL OF MY CORRECTIONSbefore you force readers back to a second-ratetext, with “too many cooks” making the broth.Reply in this same Talk section, please. 2600:1004:B164:7205:9411:5BD:E6BF:C05E (talk) 00:20, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia articles require referencing, per WP:V. That something is "true" is not sufficient to meet verifiability. You are welcome to restore it, but only with citations to reliable sources. Please see Wikipedia:Citing sources for more information. Call me a "busybody deleter" all you want, but you're more than welcome to see just how much I've contributed to Wikipedia on my userpage. That there are issues with the article presently is true, but one of the requirements for a well written Wikipedia article is that it has inline citations. Uncited content may be challenged and removed. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 00:35, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Please restore all the deleted text so I can insert sources ASAP. 2600:1004:B164:7205:9411:5BD:E6BF:C05E (talk) 00:42, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Alright, since you are a newer editor, as a sign of good faith I will restore your edits for now. I'll check on the article tomorrow, and if there's still uncited content I will either remove or rewrite it with citations I can find myself. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 00:46, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't think there needs to be such a hurry. Give the new editor some time. New editor, I have a queston: what exactly is the source you plan to add? A book or article? Or possibly multiple books or articles? If you give info on them here, maybe I can help you add the citations to the article. EEng 00:56, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

• Hi, Anonymous editor. Thanks for adding citations. It's a start, though it will take some work get things really in shape, but there's no deadline we have to meet! I've added Shaughnessy to the bibliography, and you'll see where I left ??? for page numbers, if you can fill them in. (If not, I can get hold of Shaughnessy myself at the end of January.) After that we can look at the other citations. EEng 04:46, 15 December 2021 (UTC)

Alas, Jim Shaughnessy died several years ago in his hometown of Troy, NY. He was a legend as both a railroad photographer and author of railroad books on his local railroads: notably, the Rutland and the Delaware & Hudson. 2600:1004:B12C:B0A6:E562:9F02:9E01:556E (talk) 03:14, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Under “Chatham Branch” text:

(1)Should be “Chatham Division”.

(2)Division (south of North Bennington) was abandoned and torn-up in 1953, not 1951.

Cannot correct myself because someone blocked this article. Will someone please do these corrections? Source: footnote to Chatham Division (item (1) ) and Shaughnessy (item (2) ). 2600:1004:B129:4DCD:2801:33AD:A492:A057 (talk) 02:41, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

It's been blocked because of your disruptive editing as User:16ConcordeSSC. Earlier on this page, you said it was torn up in 1951[1][2]. I have corrected the date according to the source given in the article. DrKay (talk) 13:11, 4 May 2022 (UTC)

You did a perfect edit, but for one minor item: please change “early 1950’s” to “1953” for the much-documented, accurate year in which the entire North Bennington-Chatham portion of the Chatham Division was abandoned and torn-up. Source is the late Jim Shaughnessy’s definitive book,“The Rutland Road” (Syracuse University Press, Second Edition reprint, March, 1997).

As for my being blocked, I put my apologies on this site many months ago. Have not done any “disruptive editing” since. Please lift your block ASAP. Thank you. 2600:1004:B160:581D:45C0:ECC5:ECC8:261B (talk) 02:24, 5 May 2022 (UTC)