Talk:Persecution of Uyghurs in China

Latest comment: 3 days ago by 166.198.175.17 in topic Denial of abuses
Former good article nomineePersecution of Uyghurs in China was a Social sciences and society good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 10 January 2024

The first picture has been proven to be illegitimate. The picture is in fact of a drug rehab center in Xinjiang. https://twitter.com/Kanthan2030/status/1743809318896738711 High quality pictures, including other angles, can be seen here. Xiliman (talk) 07:50, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: Twitter accounts aren't reliable sources. — Czello (music) 09:05, 10 January 2024 (UTC)
@Xiliman: @Czello: I looked into this, and it appears the article isn't citing any reliable sources at the moment showing that this image is depicting a internment camp in Xinjiang. So, this editor does have the right to challenge it. Perhaps there is an alternate image which comes from a reliable source? Sagflaps (talk) 23:01, 16 January 2024 (UTC)
Really? It took me all of ten seconds [1] Horse Eye's Back (talk) 05:00, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
So that resolves their edit request if it's not already added to the page. Sagflaps (talk) 13:43, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
I have found the resource: https://web.archive.org/web/20180821032854/https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1564669932542581
The original article should be news from Luopu County, Xinjiang, which mainly talks about how extremist religion leads them to commit crimes. This picture comes from a prison and is a normal state judicial act. There is no evidence to prove persecution. Inkuaxjieng (talk) 20:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
Is that a blog post or a news article? I am not sure 石亭资讯 is considered a reliable source. Butterdiplomat (talk) 23:44, 15 April 2024 (UTC)
This is a news gathering platform. Inkuaxjieng (talk) 13:36, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
Looks like it’s a new aggregator without a clear original source then. Butterdiplomat (talk) 23:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
There is no clear source for that image either. Although some Western media forwarded it, they did not indicate the source when forwarding it. Inkuaxjieng (talk) 01:42, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
RFA's account of the provenance and content seems fairly complete - is there any reason to doubt it? Pincrete (talk) 04:42, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Still can't complete. Because Radio Free Asia is a political media, controlled by the US government.
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U.S. Agency for Global Media has a channel for all its competitors, such as Radio Free Europe for Russia. Such targeted news media cannot guarantee its neutrality and objectivity.
In addition, this is just a text description and cannot be proven true or false. Since you think the proof link I gave is not credible, please give me a more credible link, preferably this origin article, instead of giving me a paraphrase of the RFA. Inkuaxjieng (talk) 06:23, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
I'm well aware of the political bias of RFA, but in this context it doesn't impact its reliability - and the article itself shows detailed fact-checking, unlike any of the PRC sources. Pincrete (talk) 08:10, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
What you said is obviously discriminatory. Inkuaxjieng (talk) 19:59, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
Not in the slightest. Pincrete (talk) 03:48, 19 April 2024 (UTC)
If Radio Free Asia is allowed, why not twitter? 23.28.148.2 (talk) 14:03, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

They have an awful lot of (cowed and obedient) young male prisoners taking part in that "drug rehab program in a prison"!Pincrete (talk) 20:17, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

Increase in anti-Chinese racism?

The CIA-funded conspiracy theory that China is committing "genocide" against Chinese Turkic Muslims has had a demonstrable impact on the increase in anti-Chinese attitudes globally. Why isn't this mentioned in the article? 2A00:23C4:3E44:2C01:14A8:9E0:45A3:2D98 (talk) 14:11, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Bring forward Wikipedia:Reliable sources, otherwise this proposition is WP:SYNTH. I'm willing to review an RS for this if you bring one forward. JArthur1984 (talk) 14:17, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

Excessive references to Adrian Zenz

Adrian Zenz, a senior fellow at the Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation, is referenced 6 times in the Mass detention section and 6 times in the IUDs and birth control section. An over-reliance on research produced by him, despite that he is a heavily interested character in this issue, serves against the credibility and quality of this article. As a leading scholar his findings should be mentioned, of course, but not without qualification or alternative sources and data. NipponGinko (talk) 06:46, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

It’s likely more once you dig into sources as well; there’s a significant degree of circular reporting involving Zenz. I agree with your idea generally but it’s better to approach in a concrete way. What’s the specific edit or edits you want to make to address the issue? JArthur1984 (talk) 14:02, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Remove Radio Free Asia Sources

Government propaganda has no place on Wikipedia. 23.28.148.2 (talk) 14:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Per WP:RADIOFREEASIA, RFA is considered reliable: Per the result of a 2021 RfC, editors have established that there is little reason to think RFA demonstrates some systematic inaccuracy, unreliability, or level of government co-option that precludes its use.Czello (music) 14:07, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Denial of abuses

Should Uyghur genocide denial have it's own article?, I've seen a fair amount of people on the internet who deny it's happening Consistently Heinous (talk) 21:29, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

I’m not sure there’s enough content on the denial itself to generate a separate article, but it should definitely be included in this one. Butterdiplomat (talk) 23:26, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
I concur with Butterdiplomat's doubts about the volume being enough to start a new article. Personally I only know of a handful of 'apologist' news sites. Bear in mind that you will need independent WP:RS saying what person X/organisation Y/ group Z claim is/isn't happening and they would specifically need to say what kind of 'denial' (denial of mistreatment/ or acknowledging mistreatment, but arguing that it doesn't constitute 'genocide' for example). I'm aware of these pitfalls because of similar articles. Pincrete (talk) 05:26, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
Those are straight up tankies and I suggest you sever all contact with them 166.198.175.17 (talk) 07:27, 7 July 2024 (UTC)