Talk:Passer (river)

It seems that the name "Passirio" is more commonly used in English than "Passer" (passirio river: 597 hits; passer river: 272 hits). It is better to leave the article where it is at this moment.--Supparluca 09:18, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

See Passeier Valley, I'll move the page according to the NC. --Mai-Sachme (talk) 02:22, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Google Scholar: 3 hits for passirio (the other hits are Italian books vs 3 hits for "Passer river"

Google Books: 32 hits for "passirio river" vs 67 hits for "passer river"

In fact, there is no widely used English name for this small river, so the name of the local majority should be given preference. --Mai-Sachme (talk) 13:14, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

btw: This link shows me 517 hits for Passirio River and not 597... --Mai-Sachme (talk) 20:41, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

From Wikipedia:Naming conflict:

A number of methods can be used to identify which of a pair (or more) conflicting names is the most prevalent in English.

• The Google test. Using Google's advanced search option, search for each conflicting name and confine the results to pages written in English; also exclude the word "Wikipedia" (as we want to see what other people are using, not our own usage). Note which is the most commonly used term.
• International organisations. Search for the conflicting names on the websites of organisations such as the United Nations, NATO, OSCE, IMF, etc.
• Major English-language media outlets. Use Google News and, where possible, the archives of major outlets such as BBC News and CNN to identify common usages. Some media organisations have established style guides covering naming issues, which can provide useful guidance (e.g. The Guardian's style guide says use Ukraine, not the Ukraine).
• Reference works. Check other encyclopedias. If there is general agreement on the use of a name (as there often will be), that is usually a good sign of the name being the preferred term in English.
• Geographic name servers. Check geographic name servers such as the NGIA GNS server at http://gnswww.nga.mil/geonames/GNS/index.jsp .
• Scientific nomenclature. Check usage by international bodies like CIPM, IUPAP, IUPAC, and other scientific bodies concerned with nomenclature; consider also the national standards agencies NIST and NPL. Consult style guides of scientific journals.

• Google test: passirio river: 509 hits; passer river: 286 hits.
• International organisations:
• Major English-language media outlets: Google news: passirio river: 7 hits; passer river: 4 hits.
• Reference works:
• Geographic name servers: The NGIA GNS server finds "Passirio" and "Passer" as a variant; TGN uses passirio.
• Scientific nomenclature:

By the way, Google Book: passirio river 28 hits, passer river 21 hits, and Google Scholar: passirio river: 2 hits, passer river: 2 hits. Don't move pages without reasons and without discussing it first.--Supparluca 13:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

For Supparluca from the Naming Conventions: There are cases in which the local authority recognizes equally two or more names from different languages, but English discussion of the place is so limited that none of the above tests indicate which of them is widely used in English; so there is no single local name, and English usage is hard to determine.

The usual Google test doesn't bear even a 2:1 ratio, all together we have less than 1000 hits. The other hits show an almost equal ratio. So, given that we are far from having a widely used English name, we use the name of the local majority. The precendent ist Passeier Valley. Please don't move pages against the Naming Conventions. You have to prove first that there is a widely used English name for this small river in the mountains. --Mai-Sachme (talk) 14:25, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Oh yes, and you should stop to manipulate your google results with date restrictions...29 for Passirio River vs 60 for Passer River and 2 for Passirio River vs 3 for Passer River --Mai-Sachme (talk) 16:19, 13 February 2009 (UTC)