Talk:Paramount Global

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to Paramount Global. OK, I've thought about this some more and decided it's already valid to close this one per WP:SNOW. Of all the comments so far, none are outright opposing or suggesting retaining the current name, so in a sense we can already invoke WP:NOGOODOPTIONS and make some move. The overwhelming favoured title at present is "Paramount Global", with not much consensus overall to overwrite the disambig page or use any other title. Obviously this doesn't have to be the end of the story. If someone wants to make another case for a straight move to Paramount, or indeed Paramount (company) or similar, then they are welcome to start a fresh new RM to that end.  — Amakuru (talk) 16:08, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

ViacomCBS → Paramount – Paramount, or any other identifier. It was annouced at the Investor Connect. 71.250.212.163 (talk) 22:25, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

• We know. Things take time. It's a process--CreecregofLife (talk) 22:28, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

  This comment isn't helpful. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:02, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

• Move to either Paramount (company) or Paramount Global. To be honest I don't think a RM is necessary here. InfiniteNexus (talk) 23:01, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
• Wonder what Paramount Global, Inc. has to say about all this. Trivialist (talk) 23:09, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

They probably aren't happy about it. But as they don't have a Wikipedia article, it doesn't really matter to this discussion. Rreagan007 (talk) 23:18, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

• Move to Paramount Global. Rreagan007 (talk) 23:17, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
• Move to Paramount Global. The article Paramount is already being used as a disambiguation page. XxLuckyCxX (talk) 23:31, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
• Move to Paramount Global once the name change goes through. The case for overriding Paramount as a disambiguation page isn't really affected by this name change (i.e., the argument would have been just as valid before today re Paramount Pictures; both then and now, there are plenty of notable uses for "Paramount"). In terms of "Paramount Global" vs. "Paramount (company)", natural disambiguation is preferred as shown by the the recent discussion re "Meta Platforms" vs. "Meta (company)". — stickguy (:^›)— || talk || 23:34, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
• Move to Paramount Global - it's the full name now and "Paramount" can remain as a disambig article. — Starforce¹³ 23:37, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose Paramount only Given that name often refers to Paramount Pictures and should be WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for me. I suggests move to Paramount Global per source from WSJ, Deadline, Market Watch, and other sources. The page move can be conducted tomorrow Eastern Time. 125.167.56.138 (talk) 23:41, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
• Move to Paramount Global once the rename takes effect. Trivialist (talk) 23:44, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
• (edit conflict) Move without delay to Paramount Global. This change should be undertaken when the market opens tomorrow (or sooner) given that tomorrow is the effective date. Every business and entertainment publication will begin referring to them as "Paramount" or "Paramount Global" overnight. WP:NAMECHANGES wasn't designed for companies of this size. I would like not to have a repeat of Audacy, where NAMECHANGES and a series of RMs led us to have an article at an old name for weeks. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 23:50, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

  I'd be okay with this. It would definitely take a while to change every reference to ViacomCBS so getting a headstart now would be beneficial. XxLuckyCxX (talk) 23:54, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

  When the page is moved, the categories should go to WP:CFDS to be moved in 48 hours. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 23:57, 15 February 2022 (UTC)

  And how do we handle the other ViacomCBS-prefaced article names? Same procedure?--CreecregofLife (talk) 00:01, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  Presumably. I can't say I've took part in a move this big, so not sure what the procedure is. XxLuckyCxX (talk) 00:09, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  There are nine such articles right now, per PrefixIndex:

  • ViacomCBS Consumer Products
  • ViacomCBS Domestic Media Networks
  • ViacomCBS Global Distribution
  • ViacomCBS Networks Americas
  • ViacomCBS Networks UK & Australia
  • ViacomCBS Networks EMEAA
  • ViacomCBS Networks International
  • ViacomCBS Streaming
  • ViacomCBS criticisms and controversies

  The last one should be immediately renamed. The company division names should be confirmed for the other eight.

  In terms of templates, we have these:

  • {{ViacomCBS}}
  • {{ViacomCBS Domestic Media Networks}}
  • {{ViacomCBS Networks Americas}}
  • {{ViacomCBS Networks EMEAA}}
  • {{ViacomCBS evolution}}

  There are 12 categories:

  • ViacomCBS
  • ViacomCBS-related lists
  • ViacomCBS Domestic Media Networks
  • ViacomCBS Networks International
  • ViacomCBS Networks franchises
  • ViacomCBS Streaming
  • ViacomCBS divisions
  • ViacomCBS drafts
  • ViacomCBS franchises
  • ViacomCBS navigational boxes
  • ViacomCBS people
  • ViacomCBS subsidiaries

  As with the mainspace articles, the templates and categories named for subsidiaries should be moved once the division names have been released. The others can be moved without that caveat. The categories must go to WP:CFDS when the parent page (this one) is moved. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:24, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  In network infoboxes, which way do I go on Owner: Paramount Global (2019-present) or ViacomCBS (2019-2022) Paramount Global (2022-present)?--CreecregofLife (talk) 03:29, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• Move to Paramount Global, for reasons stated above.FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer 00:30, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
• Comment: For this name change, should the article moved according to GMT time (currently 00:57 GMT), or according to Eastern Time (happens at 00:00 next day)? 180.243.210.194 (talk) 00:57, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  NASDAQ opens at 9:30 am ET, or 2:30 pm UTC. InfiniteNexus (talk) 01:40, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  As a side note, the name change occurs on February 16, but the ticker symbol is to change the following day. Sammi Brie (she/her • t • c) 01:49, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Move to Paramount Global. The name "Paramount" is already taken up by a disambiguation page, and I'm not sure that the "Paramount" title alone would be sufficient to identify the subject. – Epicgenius (talk) 02:33, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• Move to Paramount Global per all reasons stated above. Should also note that Bob Bakish and Shari Redstone said at the name reveal, "ViacomCBS is becoming Paramount Global, or more simply, Paramount"^[1] so the disambig page need not be affected. Do this at the start of the day tomorrow and without delay. Nathan Obral • he/him • t • c • 03:17, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
• Comment Given that near-universal consensus of name change to Paramount Global for obvious reasons, i think this page can be moved at 00:00 ET or midnight (07:00 UTC on February 16). I hope this page move comes without delay unlike CBSN move to CBS News. 202.67.42.3 (talk) 04:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  I still think we should wait until NASDAQ opens at 9:30 am, but we can see what happens to viacomcbs.com and twitter.com/viacomcbs in one hour. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:18, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

@InfiniteNexus: ViacomCBS.com redirects to Paramount.com; their Twitter handle remains as-is due to an existing twitter accounts holding the "Paramount" handle (which is likely having bags and bags of cash thrown at them lol) Nathan Obral • he/him • t • c • 15:28, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

I can't move this page because move-protected, so someone with page mover rights is going to have to perform the move. InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:46, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• Support as their official YouTube account is simply referring to the brand as "Paramount": https://youtube.com/c/paramountcompany. JE98 (talk) 04:57, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
• Move to Paramount Global as per everyone's response. Leaving it as just Paramount will not make it helpful as the word is considerably ambiguous per WP:DISAMBIG. I'd say, call it Paramount Global when the renaming is official. 20chances (talk) 05:47, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  I agree with renaming the page "Paramount Global". XSMan2016 (talk) 06:19, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: "The company's shares will trade on the Nasdaq stock exchange as PARAA (Class A common), PARA (Class B common) and PARAP (Preferred Stock), beginning with trading on February 17, 2022."^[2] (Originally wanted to support, but still awaiting the trade to be happened.) VernardoLau (talk) 10:14, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
• Move to Paramount Global as the latter is the official corporate name, while Paramount is only an abbreviation for the company's new name. FloorMadeOuttaFloor ^{(Banter here)} 12:03, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
• Maybe we should wait at least until the Website is official?. MaxXnite (talk) 12:21, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

Yes. It is already official from overnight, see their Youtube account. Websites and other sites usually didn't update their name until work begin. 180.254.166.145 (talk) 12:56, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• Move to Paramount Global as that is what it will actually be called once the name change takes effect. "Paramount" is moreso an abbreviation, whereas Paramount Global is the actual official name.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 13:02, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
• Move to Paramount Global
• Move to "Paramount" and change the name of the Paramount disambig page to "Paramount (disanbig)." I am opposed to moving to Paramount Global as there is already a Paramount Global which is a packaging company. [1] Steelbeard1 (talk) 14:18, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  Per WP:PRECISE, the packaging company does not have an article, so no disambiguation is needed if the new title for this page is to be "Paramount Global". There will, however, need to be disambiguation if the title is "Paramount". If the packaging company does get an article, the two pages will be appropriately distinguished. – Epicgenius (talk) 14:22, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  Precisely which is why I am also requesting the the Paramount page be renamed Paramount (disambig). Steelbeard1 (talk) 14:56, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• Move to "Paramount (company)" as they're not presenting themselves as Paramount Global. – MaxXnite (talk) 14:36, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  Again, natural disambiguation is preferred as previously discussed with cases like Meta Platforms. — stickguy (:^›)— || talk || 14:44, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: Name change has taken place per the Delaware corporations registry (file no. 2106821 which was "VIACOMCBS INC." yesterday). For the record the new entity name is indeed just "Paramount Global" – no "Inc.", "Corporation", "Ltd." or similar. — stickguy (:^›)— || talk || 14:44, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  So kind of like how Pokémon games dropped “Version” starting in Gen 6?--CreecregofLife (talk) 14:47, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  Yep, but there is/was no law requiring The Pokémon Company to use "Version" in the names of their games, while it's very rare for U.S. companies not to have a full name ending in "Inc." or similar due to state naming requirements. I've seen it happen occasionally, but the Delaware government website (the place where the company in question is incorporated) indicates: "Your corporation’s name must end with a corporate designator such as “Corporation,” “Incorporated,” “Limited,” or an abbreviation thereof." I'm a bit surprised "Global" fits the bill here, but 🤷‍♂️ — stickguy (:^›)— || talk || 15:16, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• Move to Paramount Global per EpicGenius -Gouleg🛋️ ^harass/_hound 15:11, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
• Move to Paramount Global. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 15:18, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  Oppose rename to Paramount Global as there is already a packaging company using that name. Steelbeard1 (talk) 15:20, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  The packaging company doesn’t have a page here (as mentioned above). Paramount1106 (talk) 15:28, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

* Move to Paramount. I've renamed the Paramount disambig page to Paramount (disambig) to pave the way to rename this article Paramount. Steelbeard1 (talk) 15:25, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• 1) Nobody approved that move. You jumped the gun to push the discussion in a specific direction 2) That's not where the page would be anyway! Disambiguation would be completely spelled out.--CreecregofLife (talk) 15:29, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  Relevant page has been moved back — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 15:31, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  I'll also point out that Steelbeard1 has already voted further up, so the comment should be struck? -- AxG / ✉  15:32, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  I've already asked the editor who reverted the disambig page to change the name back to Paramount (disambig) to pave the way for this article to be renamed Paramount. Steelbeard1 (talk) 15:34, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  Steelbeard1 please strike your duplicate vote. We do not preemptively move pages pending the outcome of an RM. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 15:35, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  done Steelbeard1 (talk) 15:38, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• @Amakuru: (who move-protected this page), can you close this discussion? InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:47, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

  @InfiniteNexus: the discussion would ordinarily be kept open for a week. And I can see there's quite strong opinion building already in favour of Paramount Global, but the request is still less than 24 hours old and some alternatives have been proposed, so I suggest we wait a little while longer. CHeers  — Amakuru (talk) 16:00, 16 February 2022 (UTC)

• Perhaps it could be rename to Paramount Global Platforms. – MaxXnite (talk) 15:54, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
• There is STILL no discussion about renaming the Paramount disambig page to Paramount (disambig) on its talk page besides my one statement there. Steelbeard1 (talk) 16:02, 16 February 2022 (UTC)