Talk:Odrysian kingdom

I just wonder: how could Cotys VI (180 BC-168 BC) be father of Cotys VII (57 BC- 48 BC); if the latter regined a hundred years after his father ? --Kummi (talk) 18:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, i hadnt realised we put the infobox in all modern countries that coincide with a geographical location.Are we going to put Turkey,Greece and any other states that have parts that coincide with the location?Megistias (talk) 14:48, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

No broblems. If this countries and their people identify themselves with the Odrysian kingdom, what is the problem? Jingby (talk) 14:55, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Are you serious?What you are saying is what is "pov"...among other things.Also the map is just bad, as if its made in ms- paint.The other map is clear and you can tell things apart on it clearly.Megistias (talk) 14:57, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

That written above all is only your POV, for example. Jingby (talk) 14:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Also we dont put ancient macedonian history infobox in the republic of macedonia articles as they are bulgarians/slavs however you want it.Same applies here.Articles are not written on imagination or what people "identify themselves with" as than all wikipedia would have to change.Megistias (talk) 15:01, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, that written above is only your POV, again. Jingby (talk) 16:15, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Uscudama seems to be the Bessi capital

• The History of Rome, Volume 4 by Theodor Mommsen , 2009, page 53: "... defeated the Bessi in their mountains, took their capital Uscudama (Adrianople), and compelled them to submit to the Roman supremacy.
• History of Rome‎ by Mandell Creighton - 1912 - page 307... defeated the Bessi in their mountains, took their capital Uscudama
• The cities of the eastern Roman provinces‎ - page 14

by Arnold Hugh Martin Jones - 1971 ,"In 71 BC Marcus Lucullus, according to Eutropius, defeated the Bessi in theHaemus and captured their town, Uscudama"Megistias (talk) 10:05, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Odrysian_kingdom#List_of_Odrysian_kings, this part of the article still needs alot of work. While many data is offered here reference it needs to be cross-referenced with other sources and all kings, not just nobles need to go in. Possible dates have to be corrected and each article on these individuals fixed. Many of them have similar names and there are many I, II or II Odrysians having the same name. This makes it confusing so any help is welcome.Usefull sources in English, other then the combined data on the pdf, are ;

• Archibald, Z., The Odrysian kingdom of Thrace, Oxford, 1998
• Sullivan, R., Near Eastern Royalty and Rome, Toronto, 1990

Megistias (talk) 14:15, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Its today territory was not included into the borders of the Kingdom, even partially. Jingiby (talk) 04:14, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

It's confusing to read this article because sometimes Odrysian sounds like it is the same as Thracian (Odrysian=Thracian) and other times it sounds like "Some Thracians are Odrysians but not all Thracians are Odrysians." Can this be made clearer? 69.125.134.86 (talk) 19:02, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

The Odrysian Kingdom is described in most sources as highland and all sources as inland. During the entire period the Black Sea coast was Greek. If someone wants to make a proper map for this go ahead, but the current map is not supported by the facts15:45, 30 October 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.64.95 (talk)

This map was discussed and is created on the base of reliable sources. Do not remove it without to reach a consensuss. Thank you. Jingiby (talk) 16:00, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Bot named User:JJMC89 has re-added several times this new category to this article but it is irrelevant. How to deal with this case? Jingiby (talk) 15:27, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Jingiby It was likely because of the red linked category, now also removed by me.--Calthinus (talk) 00:48, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

I am not a bot and did not edit the article. I do operate the bot that updated the category. Category:Kingdoms in Greek Antiquity was renamed to Category:Ancient Greek kingdoms per a request at WP:CFDS. — JJMC89 (T·C) 01:32, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Yeah this is a case where one applied but the other didn't. This is a kingdom that interacted with the Hellenic world of antiquity, but was not itself Greek, but Thracian.--Calthinus (talk) 02:05, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

JJMC89, sorry about the bot, but this change of categories is not correct, because, as mentioned by Calthinus above, this kingdom was not Hellenic. Jingiby (talk) 04:16, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Ymblanter processed the CFDS request and instructed the bot. Please see the discussion at User talk:Ymblanter#Contested category move (permalink) where FPaS has brought this up. — JJMC89 (T·C) 05:04, 7 November 2019 (UTC)