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Zach Young /Dana Delfino shows up in the "Young" and "Delfino" Famllies. Put one Famlliy, The Youngs !--Brown Shoes22 16:20, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
Virgil Applewhite and Caleb Applewhite are the same person !--Brown Shoes22 04:13, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
Is there really a need for the Harper family. They are not recurring and will probably never appear again.--Dan777 17:04, 15 December 2005
I suggest there is a section for other neighbours, such as Ida Greenberg, Alberta Fromme and so.--Dan777 17:04, 15 December 2005
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there's only ever been one reference to Susan's maiden name in the entire series. Bremmer was her mother Sophie's married name sometime after Susan's birth. And I seem to recall Susan's father's surname being Ross. Anyone else remember this? — ArkansasTraveler 15:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
The rest are "recurring families" thus that title. Sfufan2005 21:53, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I disagree 100%
Mike is a Regular and and the Applewhites are Regular...We should not have this at all! I will re-vert over and over because I think this is not right...! All characters are important! Ron535251
Well SFUFan you are not a dicator either!
First line of Susan's entry - Negative POV? Bswee 21:30, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
I suggest keep it the way it is. Cheater1908 01:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
I added a cleanup tag to the article after finding the following: 1) typos, 2) grammer error (e.g. Carlos Mother --> Carlos' Mother), 3) large blocks of text that would be much more readable if broken into several paragraphs. Antonrojo 00:46, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
After skimming the article there are still some fixes needed and I think I got all of the spelling errors: 1) Plurals for names that end in s should be <thename>'s (e.g. Carlos's not Carlos'...the latter version is only correct historically) 2) At least one punctuation error with: "Regardless of her flaws, have you ever stopped and said thank you for all she does for you around the house"? 3) Runon paragraphs that need breaking up to make them more readable to avoid 'block 'o text' syndrome 4) Confusing sentences that are either runon or unclear, for example "He tackled Caleb and got him arrested thanks to Bongo's senses.". As time permits I'll fix some of these.Antonrojo 17:15, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
I'm not the one who added the too long tag however this page is getting a tad long. All for the good though, however I think our main players "the housewives" or every character who is credited and has played an important contribution to the overall story should have their own articles such as all housewives, Mary Alice, Andrew, Mike and Betty just to name a few. However if we do decide to do this we still should keep all characters on this page except that they will not have any information. The remainder of the characters should remain on this page such as any guest stars or minor characters.
For example: Bree Van De Kamp (see main article). Plus I recently discovered that Gabrielle already has her own article FYI Gabrielle Solis which is in pretty good shape for an example Opinions? Sfufan2005 04:08, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
It works !--Brown Shoes22 04:46, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
How do you guys know that there is an "r" in her name? On the season one DVD the "English For the Hearing Impaired" spells it without an r, and so does IMDB, but tv.com and this site spells it with an r, and Mike and a few other characters do clearly articulate an r. I would find it hard to believe anyone would pronounce it with an r if it wasn't written with an r in the script, but they may have just heard the name before, and not thought about the r or lack of it. So is there a way you guys know? Emily (Funtrivia Freak) 16:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
That? How is the name probably written? With an r? I'm just not exactly following you. Emily (Funtrivia Freak) 17:43, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
And plasee update the article !--Brown Shoes22 15:39, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
From WP:NOT "Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of items of information. That something is 100% true does not mean it is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia. While there is a continuing debate about the encyclopedic merits of several classes of entries, current consensus is that Wikipedia articles are not simply:7. Plot summaries. Wikipedia articles on works of fiction should contain real-world context and sourced analysis, offering detail on a work's achievements, impact or historical significance, not solely a summary of that work's plot. A plot summary may be appropriate as an aspect of a larger topic."
It seems to me that this article now delves excessively into "plot summary," or "character summary," which, in the context of my point is more or less the same thing. Achievements, impact, or historical significance are not touched upon.
Others' opinions on this point would be appreciated. Charlie 11:28, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
There are two articles about Ian: Ian Hainsworth and Ian Hainsworth (Desperate Housewives). I don't know how to delete articles, or even if I have the power to do so, but could someone please delete the article with the disambigution? That one should be deleted to do Wikipedia's disambigution policy. Cheater1908 22:35, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
The Scavos adopted Kayla, therefore her page needs to be redirected, but Kayla Huntington is redirected from Kayla Scavo, so I can't move it. Could someone be so kind to move it? Cheater1908 02:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
According to this week's episode, "Not While I'm Around" Gaby is still known by her married name "Solis". I think this should be changed because Gaby was only using her maiden name for the modeling shoot. In MAVO's (Mary Alice Voice Overs) she is still known as Gabrielle Solis. Sfufan2005 01:08, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
I've tried to clean up the article a bit - I havn't done any changes as of the text it self, but rather some changes in the disposition. Most notably merging the Hodge and Van De Kamp families - which IMO is the only right thing to do giventhe marriage of Bree and Orson. Right? Pjär80 14:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
Oh - sorry for this... I have yet to read Behind Closed Doors. However, I still think there is causes for the way I edited:On Mike's map in ep. 1.02 it's clearly stated that the house betwen Susan's and Gabrielle's is the Nelson's house, and the house opposite Mrs. Huber and next to Gaby has a unreadable name written to it. Further more, in the same episode Susan and Edie informs Mike that the Mullins lives accross Mrs. Huber's house - the same Mullins that moves away in ep 1.22, where the Applewhite later is seen moving in in the same house. Finally - it's been a long time since I watched "The Munsters" but I'm pretty sure that their house is not the same as the Mullins/Applewhite/Alma Hodge house.
As I've come to understand it, this is how the houses on Wisteria Lane are located and numbred (hopefully it makes sense):
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | | | || The Mullins | | | | | || Betty | | | | | || Alma | Gabrielle | the Nelsons | Susan | Lynette | Edie || #4347 | #4349 | #4354 | #4353 | #4355 | #4357 |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <---To the city -WISTERIA LANE- To the park---> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| #4350 | #4352 | #4359 | #4356 | #4358 | #4360? || Mrs Huber | Mary Alice | Bree | Mike | Mrs McCluskey| Unknown || Felicia | The Shepards | | | | || | | | | | || | | | | | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This seems to work well with Mikes' map in ep. 1.02 as well as how the houses seems to be located in Seasons 1 (which I recently rewatched on dvd) and Season 3. I'm uncertain about seas. 2 though (and since I'm not living in the states I can't watch it on tv either ;) ) Also this map seems to support my theory....
Then again - you have presented good reasons backing up your POV as well... There could of course be that this was changed between season 1 and season 2. In that case, then maybe we ought to delete all the details about which house is which... Pjär80 13:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
Conclusively this should be the definite map of Wisteria Lane:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | | | || | | the Mullins | | | || | | Betty | | | || Unknown | Gabrielle | Alma | Susan | Lynette | Edie || ? | #4349 | #4351 | #4353 | #4355 | #4357 |------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- <---To the city -WISTERIA LANE- To the park---> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| #4350 | #4352 | #4354 | #4356 | #4358 | ? || Mrs Huber | Mary Alice | Bree | Mike | Mrs McCluskey| Unknown || Felicia | the Shephards| | | | || | | | | | || | | | | | |-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Given the fact that the Nelsons only have been seen on the 1.02-map, I'd say it's safe to say that they never existed.
To sum it up - you where rigt all alone, and I change back to your edits concerning the house number and there location. :) Pjär80 13:02, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for posting the map :-) It is a possibility, though, that the Nelsons lived there before the Mullins' at the time we saw Mike's map--though we probably shouldn't take a TV show too seriously. Oh, and I didn't realize that "The Munsters" was a sitcom--I always thought it was a movie. Huh. Also, the errors on Mike's map are interesting--Julie's age and Penny is Daisy!!!! HA, that's a laugh!!!! I own that on DVD too, so I should take a look at Mike's map next time I see that episode. Again, thank you for all your time re-constructing this page. You are greatly appreciated! :-) Cheater1908 02:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
Amanda was added again, but since she only appeared in one episode and (as far as we know) isn't a relative of any of the main families - which currently are the two criterias of which at least one should be valid for the characters included in this artice.
The basic rule of only including recurring characters is imo quite important to stick to - in order not to have this article grew to big and thereby far to difficult to maintain.
However - I think it's worth discussing wheather or not we should include one time appearing relatives, or only characters who have appeared in two episodes or more. Personaly I prefer it the way it is now (even though I do agree that there isn't any really good encyclopedial reasons to do so), although I do understand the other opinion as well.
Thaughts?Pjär80 14:27, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
The names of Sophie Bremmer's husbands and Ian's deceased wife Jane's family name has been added. Does anyone know what the sources for this is? Pjär80 15:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
There seems to be tendencies to edit this (and other DH articles) with events that has yet to occur. This is problematic, given that details on upcoming episodes might change before the episode airs, or that they might be just wrong (as was the case with the details given on the character "Lamar the Limo Driver" in this article). Also, expressions like " he will appear in the next episode" hardly is encyclopedical.
Therefor I strongly suggest that we don't add anything to this article until it's been shown on the show. Also - in order to keep the editing easier (and the value of this article higher) I've noted in the header which episodes are included. Pjär80 15:26, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
Gabrielle referred to herself as Gabrielle Marquez last night. I personally think that we should move her article back to Gabrielle Marquez. I know Mary Alice has referred to her as Gabrielle Solis after her divorce, but I don't think we should go by that, because Mary Alice has been wrong before (she said in the season premiere that Alma left Orson because she was unhappy and she felt trapped but it turned out that she only left Orson because she found out about his affair and she wanted to matter to him, so Mary Alice lied to us!). Thoughts? Cheater1908 00:46, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
I changed the tense of George Williams (Desperate Housewives) to fit WP:WAF#Presentation of fictional material. All Wikipedia articles about fiction are supposed to be written in present tense:
"By convention, these synopses should be written in the present tense, as this is the way that the story is experienced as it is read or viewed. At any particular point in the story there is a 'past' and a 'future', but whether something is 'past' or 'future' changes as the story progresses. It is simplest to recount the entire description as continuous 'present'.".
--T-man, the wise 00:48, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
A lot of wiki links link to certain sections of this page, like if you wanted to find out about Dr. Albert Goldfine, it would link straight to the Bree's Family section. This is fine, as Dr. Albert Goldfine can't really have it's own page. The problem here though as that when another link gets you to this page and brings you straight to the characters name, the viewer never actually gets to see the spoiler warning at the top, because it loads halfway down the page to the character you wanted to see. So (and there is a spoiler here), I wanted to see who this Goldfine was and it told me that he was the therapist that Bree was seeing. That was brilliant, it really helped my understanding of the show. But it also told me that George kills Dr. Goldfine and that Bree soon finds out that George was really obsessed with her. Which sort of ruined that aspect of the show for me. Having just one spoiler warning at the top wasn't enough, as this link skipped the spoiler warning entirely. I am not sure what actually needs to happen to fix this, but from what I can see either a small spoiler warning needs to be added to each family name so people that were linked to that family name are warned, or all the links that link to a section on this page need to be replaced with links that simply go to the top of this page instead. The links that bring you to a section of a page are handy and sort of cool, but in this case it is damaging to the whole spoiler system. So, what is the correct thing to do here, add more spoiler warnings or edit the links that skip the spoiler warning? And also, how do you find out which pages redirect to this page, as there may be a lot of pages that redirect to a section of this page JayKeaton 09:24, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
I've incorperated some of the articles who dealt with individual characters in this article. The characters who have been moved here either:
The amount of character pages had become far to extended, and (as pointed out in other places) the quality of the Desperate Housewives character pages are generaly not sufficiant. Given that the summer hiatus is coming up it's a good time to get into discussion how to best keep a good quality of WP:s DH articles.
As of the character pages I'd say that characters appearing in less than eight episodes (roughly 1/3 of a season) ought to not have their own articles, but be included in List of Desperate Housewives characters, with the exception of characters of significant instrest (foremost the leading characters' family members), and that no character with less than five appearances should have their own article. This is the way it looks now, after my edits mentioned above.
And this is the episode account for characters, excluding the main characters, as of the first three seasons (69 episodes):
Given this statistics, one might argue that Ed Ferrera should be transfered to his own article, but otherwise I think the current arrangement is a good one. Pjär80 01:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I've intergrated "Susan's family" and "Mike's family", following their marriage, as well as added Victor's known relatives to the "Extended family" part of "Gabrielle's family".
To my knowledge there is no source for either Gabby nor Susan that they have changed their last names (wich isn't done automatically when a woman is married), and until such is found, we ought to keep their former last name.
Thaughts? Pjär80 23:35, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
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For reasons given above #Edits, I've redirected Nina Fletcher to this article. If anyone don't agree with this, share your thaughts here. :) Pjär80 18:37, 22 July 2007 (UTC)