Talk:Honor killing

Hi folks,

Here's a new source which seems relevant to the article. MonsieurD (talk) 14:44, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

There are a couple of clarifications this section needs. First, did the Napoleonic Code simply enable Arab countries to formalise something that had already been practised there in modern legal language, or did it create a culture of honor killings anew where previously there had been none?

Second, with regard to the 1860 legal code imported to British India, the source, while mentioning 'grave and serious provocation' as a justification for more lenient sentencing for violent crime, does not actually mention anything specific to men or women. It says in full:

352. Punishment for assault or criminal force otherwise than on grave provocation.—Whoever assaults or uses criminal force to any person otherwise than on grave and sudden provocation given by that person, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to three months, or with fine which may extend to five hundred rupees, or with both. Explanation.—Grave and sudden provocation will not mitigate the punishment for an offence under this section. If the provocation is sought or voluntarily provoked by the offender as an excuse for the offence, or if the provocation is given by anything done in obedience to the law, or by a public servant, in the lawful exercise of the powers of such public servant, or if the provocation is given by anything done in the lawful exer­cise of the right of private defence. Whether the provocation was grave and sudden enough to mitigate the offence, is a question of fact. https://indiankanoon.org/doc/1672685/

So is there some other source which attests to the claim made in the article?LastDodo (talk) 15:49, 29 April 2021 (UTC)

With no response on this, due to the fact the paragraph as it stands is so intensely misleading, I have decided to delete it. Perhaps that will prompt whoever wrote it to re-write it in more clear and honest manner. Here it is, for reference. Read it then re-read the law as it is actually written above:

A similar situation is found in Pakistan's penal code, which was based on the 1860 code imported by Britain to rule colonial India,^[1] where a man who killed his wife for "grave and sudden provocation" was given a lenient sentencing.^[2] In 1990, Pakistan reformed this law to bring it in terms with the Shari'a, and the Pakistani Federal Shariat Court declared that "according to the teachings of Islam, provocation, no matter how grave and sudden it is, does not lessen the intensity of crime of murder". However, judges still sometimes hand down lenient sentences for honor killings, justified by still citing the British law's "grave and sudden provocation."^[3][4] LastDodo (talk) 19:55, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

So my edit was reverted without discussion. Please come here to discuss rather than just reverting again. I have trief to make the passage clearer rather than just deleting, though I still think deleting is probably preferable because the connection to European colonialism is exceptionally tenous given the British law only makes reference to 'grave and sudden provocation' for any violent crime, and certainly says nothing about honor killing. As far as I can see there is absolutely no reason to believe that the type of 'provocations' that an honor killer would point to would be covered by the British law.LastDodo (talk) 13:47, 5 August 2021 (UTC)