Talk:History of Harvard University
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I pulled out much of the detailed history from the Harvard article, and added a lot of new info here. Rjensen (talk) 05:52, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's accurate that there were 17,000 Puritans in New England in 1620. 1620 is when the Mayflower landed.
Done It was changed in 2012 to read "by 1636". Hertz1888 (talk) 23:38, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Don't you think we should add controversies? You know, stuff like Henry Gates arrest and Adam Wheeler? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Levardi (talk • contribs) 04:53, 28 April 2011 (UTC) [reply]
I spring 2012 there was an alleged cheating ring scandal involving at least 125 students, almost 2% of the students enrolled, all in the same classroom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 150.216.78.78 (talk) 07:32, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
"I'm not sure how to explain the importance of having the only printing press on the continent for twenty years, if that isn't already understood" -- that requires a reliable secondary source saying it was important and why. Did it actually print anything? Rjensen (talk) 07:48, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I removed stuff about individual professional schools, and the Nobel count, from the lead because they're overdetailed for the lead of a 400-year history; it would be as if the lead of History of the English Monarchy had a paragraph about the Princess Diana Memorial Playground. Harvard Colledge is minor, harmless, and draws the reader in. EEng (talk) 11:27, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I applaud any attempt to flesh out this woefully inadequate article, but the extensive primary quotes now being added are going to need to be boiled down to at most a paragraph or two. It's overwhelming. A more extensive treatment might belong in a Role of Harvard College section at Salem Witch Trials or (if there's really a lot of important material on this that can't be treated there in a reasonable amount of space) an article like Role of Harvard College in the Salem Witch Trials. EEng (talk) 04:29, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
{od}}I agree in some ways, despite having written it. It is not pretty. I just made another pass, trying to condense. There must be some better way to convey complex information? Help? In some ways this is the entire problem of trying to understand what happened in 1692 -- the folks most responsible seem to have realized that if you pass along an overwhelming amount of information, no one will know what to make of it. Like those User Agreements we sign every other day. Maybe we are lucky that so much information is missing or was destroyed. But I also have to say that it is striking how much the College comes up in reading primary texts of this era. Increase Mather was obsessed with the College. He seemed to think it was the key to shaping the future.
The kicker for me was stumbling on the minutes of the Cambridge Association. They have been at the MHS since around the Civil War but seem to have been overlooked. This could probably use its own page but still should be tied to a larger timeline.
Though this section could no doubt be improved, and presented better, I don't agree that this info should be placed anywhere other than an article on the History of Harvard. The university have their own website for P.R. with brief and friendly descriptions of Presidents. In 1692 power and influence in MA bay came from Boston, usually via Cambridge. Were this better understood, I wouldn't have gone to the trouble.
Rather than less, I would like to see more 17th century History on this page. For instance, archealogical evidence (Peabody museum?) of pipes, beer steins, flatware, etc. Lewismr (talk) 16:51, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The article mentions the first use of the name "Harvard College" but fails to indicate when the status of "university" was first established. --EncycloPetey (talk) 18:56, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
https://legacyofslavery.harvard.edu/ Xx236 (talk) 09:37, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The article does not explain why the meritocracy was needed. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/harvard-s-jewish-problem Minorities partially explain this at the end, some rewriting would be useful.Xx236 (talk) 14:48, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
James Bryant Conant (president, 1933–1953) pledged to reinvigorate creative scholarship at Harvard and reestablish its preeminence among research institutions. Viewing higher education as a vehicle of opportunity for the talented rather than an entitlement for the wealthy...
Some historically notable things have already happened in the 21c, which deserve mention, including
In contrast, recent House committee hearings about free speech, anti-semitism, and other campus policies are not yet notable in the history of the university. I removed a long undue section about this. – SJ + 06:12, 19 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@EEng continues to claim that "The different schools are financially independent" - without providing a cite that supports this claim. Harvard University is one single 501c3, and none of the constituent schools colleges have financial independence. This claim needs to be removed because it is uncited with RS, and is just flat out wrong. Jjazz76 (talk) 18:05, 25 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Where does the phrase “every tub on its own bottom” come from? First penned by John Bunyan in his 1678 allegory Pilgrim’s Progress, “every tub” was borrowed by Harvard President John T. Kirkland during the first quarter of the 19th century when critics pressed him to find a location to build up the Divinity School. In response, Kirkland declared, “It is our rule here for every tub to stand on its own bottom.” He meant that each school of the University was an independent entity, responsible for its own management and funding ... An increasing number of opponents, though, believe that this policy leaves some of Harvard’s schools in danger. Critics often mention that FAS and the Graduate School of Arts and Sciences have a combined endowment of nearly $8 billion—a sum that exceeds the total endowment of all but four universities—while the School of Education and Design School only have access to endowments of under $500 million.
Used throughout the University, the acronym ETOB stands for "Every Tub on its Own Bottom." This axiom, coined in the early nineteenth century, is the bedrock of a highly decentralized system of financial management.In Harvard parlance, a tub is a high-level institutional unit -- one of the 10 faculties, for example, or the central administration. All told, there are 52 tubs and countless sub-tubs. Each tub is expected to be self-financing: to prepare its own budgets, raise its own funds, and keep itself solvent.
each school ... an independent entity ... responsible for ... its own management and funding ... self-financing ... raise its own funds ... keep itself solvent. Does that help your comprehension?
In the context of budget models, the extreme of decentralization is known as "every tub on its own bottom" (ETOB). Every school or college owns 100 percent of its revenue, runs its own central administration, and adheres to its own strategic plan. At most, they contract with the university for utilities, investment management, and perhaps finiancial accounting ... For all intents and purposes, therefore, in ETOB the schools and colleges are independent members of an overall university-based federation. Harvard University is the most prominent exampble.