Talk:1967 Goa status referendum

I've added a bunch of fact tags. I have tried to add only the most necessary tags. Here are some examples with explanations:

• Some people in Goa considered Konkani to be a dialect of Marathi and hence by reason, considered all Goans to be of Marathi ethnicity - We need a citation for this because we need to know who the "some people" are who make this argument.
• The MGP and politicians in Maharashtra were elated at the victory and touted it as a mandate that the majority of Goans were in favour of merger - Expressions of emotion such as this ("elated") and interpretations of events ("touted it as a mandate") usually need citations. Most of the tags I added fall into this "interpretation of events" category.
• The Christians of Goa formed a major portion of the Goan population (29% by today's numbers) and had considerable influence were fearful that the merger would reduce their political influence to nothing in the merged entity. - Any statistics need a citation.

I hope this helps! You might also look at WP:When to cite. Awadewit (talk) 03:39, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I have cited all except two. Some of the citations may not match as they were sourced from some defunct websites, so I have taken the one which is nearest. For the two which I cannot find any refs I dont mind removing them , they are not critical. I have not removed them yet.

A bit of explanation for the first line mentioned above. I have written it as "some people" for a specific reason. I know it can be considered a weasel word, but it is really difficult to exactly describe who those "some" were. For instance almost all Marathis from Mahrashtra still beleive that Konkani is a dialect of Marathi. But among Goans(and neighouring areas) you cannot lable people as Konkanis or Marathis based on their preferences. For example: some people call themselves Konkanis but beleve that Konkani is a dialect of Marthi. Others call themselves Marathis even though they speak Konkani at home. SOme of the aggressive Konkani protagonists beleive that everyone in Goa is a Konkani regardless of what they say their mother tongue is. People who speak the Malwani dialect (of Konkani)(in the neighbouring Malwan area of Maharashtra) tend to avoid the controversy by saying that they speak "Malvani" instead of saying that they speak Konkani. --Deepak D'Souza 11:36, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your hard work on this! What do you mean when you say "Some of the citations may not match as they were sourced from some defunct websites, so I have taken the one which is nearest"? Awadewit (talk) 02:35, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

What I meant was that the statemtent says something and the source may differ slightly. For instance take this diff [1]. The source says that Again Dr. Jack and his legislators met Indira Gandhi and submitted a memorandum that such a monumental decision affecting the future of the State could not be left to legislators alone, but should be put before the people to decide. The reference says Fortunately, we had leaders who convinced New Delhi that local Assembly results did not reflect the Goan mind on Merger and that the issue be decided by a separate referendum. Leaders like Purshottam Kakodkar, who enjoyed a personal equation with the Nehru household, and the redoubtable Dr. Jack de Sequeira, who led an equally steely Opposition in the Goa Assembly, i.e. the ref does not say that the UGP legislators met Indira Gandhi. The problem happened because the site from which I picked this statement (drjackdesequeira.com, which has a detailed history of the events related to the referendum) is now defunct. So I had to chose another reference that came close to the actual statment.

Another example is this: [2] the statement saya that the campaigning was vigorous, whereas the source says that campaig began in earnest. Overall, the sources match the statement in meaning if not word-for-word. I hope that isn't a major issue? In paces where I could not find any reference that conveyed the same meaning as the statement I have not put up any refs.

I see. Ok. Awadewit (talk) 01:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

A map on this page will be helpful. The map should display the states of Gujarat, Maharashtra, Goa, Daman and Diu. I don't know how to edit SVG images. Any volunteers? --Deepak D'Souza 11:40, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

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Hello fellow Wikipedians,this is what I added or editedevent leading to Democracy in Goa and events leading to Goa opinion poll

Political situationSince Goa was an acquired territory, India faced opposition from America in the UN, Goa was not given immediate statehood but was incorporated as a Union Territory unlike other Union Territories, which were directly administered by the central government in New Delhi. As Goans did not have its own state legislature, fearing for the identity of Goa Shri.Roqui Santan an influential member of the native Velliapura royal family but was a reluctant royal organised 3 days satygraha for early democracy in Goa, immediately Goa's first polls were held on 9 December 1963 even though Goa did not belong to India and for this Shri RoquiSantan is popularly know as 'Father of Goan Democracy' . It was only after the Luso-Indo treaty that Goa became a part of India. That too the treaty was not in consultations with the Goans, the indigenous people.

After the announcement of the first election the two main parties were formed by two Goan industrialists from no where, UGP and MGP, with two opposing ideologies. The Maharashtrawadi Gomantak Party (Pro-Maharashtra Goan Party) wanted to merge the state of Goa into the newly formed state of Maharashtra. Roqui Santan campaigned against Goa's merger with Maharashtra and was the front leader. The United Goans Party wanted to retain independent statehood for the former Portuguese enclaves The MGP had the support of the lower castes among Goa's Hindus, whereas the UGP was dominated by Catholics with some support from upper-caste Hindus. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Decan.reporter (talk • contribs) 22:32, 30 January 2018 (UTC) Decan.reporter (talk) 22:38, 30 January 2018 (UTC) i think this is How i am suposed to sign104.207.219.150 (talk) 22:46, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

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Hello fellow Wikipedians, when you hit/click the reference please scroll down to this title:- ‘Roque Santana anniversary observed ‘ ^[1].Herald, PANJIM, 11th Jun 2013: The 51st anniversary of the ‘Father of Goan Democracy’ late Roque Santana Fernandes who went on an indefinite hunger strike in Margao in 1962 which resulted in elections being declared for the first time in Goa in December 1963 was observed in Velim, Monday.

The late Roque Santana resorted to a fast unto death demanding that elected members and not appointed ones should represent Goa in Parliament, with the result that Gopal Handoo, adviser to then Lt Governor of Goa met him at the instance of then prime minister Jawaharlal Nehru. He gave up the strike, met Nehru and it was agreed to hold elections for the first time in Goa in 1963. It is for the democratic fight that he was hailed as the `Father of Goan Democracy.’

Late Roque Santana was subsequently elected to Goa Assembly twice in 1967 and 1971 and was awarded Tambra Patra for his contribution for Goa’s freedom.Decan.reporter (talk) 15:55, 1 February 2018 (UTC)

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Hello fellow Wikipedians,This is the press release by Kadamba Coterie after their sentiments were hurt in Velliapura in 2013.Velim, 11 kilometersfrom Margao, South Goa. Dec. 21st 2013. ^[2] Mr.Venkatesha A. Upadhiaya todaysubmitted a memorandum to the President of India Mr.Pranab Mukherjee, Prime Minister Mr.Manmohan Singh and Mr. Pravin Srivastava of Archeological Survey of India ASI, demanded to immediately acquire and save the 12th century, Kadamba Jayakeshi Southern Capital Velimpura site which is also the cremation ground of the last Ruler of Hangal locatedinpresent day Velim, South Goa a place of National Interest? from thepossessionof Mrs Ana Emerita, widow of a great Goan, late Roqiue Santana charging herforconstructing on the scared grounds, denying access by locking the compoundgates and playing regional card with the pilgrims from the neighboringvillagesof Karnataka who visit Velim once a year, a centuries old practice and aspartof the Banavasi festival celebrations to pay their respect to the 1368ADVelimpura cremation ground of Purandarai-Deva the ruler of Hangal.

Warning the localswho were present here today not to be silent spectators to injustice done tothe glorious historical past Mr. Upadhiaya a native of Belgaum lamentedwhilereacting to regionalism that prior to his death in 2007 Roqiue Santana likehisfather in Portuguese colonial times always gave a warm welcome and supplyofdrinking water as a gesture of respect to the Kannada visitors at the site.Roqiue Santana popularly known as Father of Goa’s Democracy was the localelected representative to liberated Goa legislative Assembly. No doubt thisfamily is Goan, like thousands of Goans they are of Deccan origin too?. Mr.Upadhiaya said.

Earlier, a man whowalked up behind the secured gates calling himself the security for theRoqiueSantana family charged last years pilgrims of criminal mischief, theft androbbery as important antiques went missing following last Dec. pilgrimsvisitand said that the family has moved out of this country and ordered thedriverof the tour bus to get going. Leading the pilgrims Mr. Upadhiaya? 82,denied? the allegation here today in Velim saying? that we are alwaysprotective of the familyand do respect their privacy and recollected his family?s ancestors ties asSarva-Karyakartas meaning chief secretary, a hereditary appointment up tothetime when Governor of Madras presidency George Harris under Lord Dalhousieadministration confiscated the Haliyal Timber and Construction Lime Co.goodsof Roqiue Santan’s greatgrand father in Nov of 1855. Mr. Upadhiaya held thatmost of the pilgrims are the descendants of the? family?s Haliyal compoundwork force. Historians hold that Haliyal yard was basically? Goa? rulingReigns Armoury and is today converted into Haliyal Bus Terminal.In his memorandum he urged Archeological? Survey Of India (ASI) to atleastsave this Velim landmark for futuregenerations.

According to thisfamous historical source held sacred by Hangal Coterie, Purandarai ruler ofHangal and family on the eve of his fall in 1347 secretly traveled overnightto joined his daughter who herself tookshelter in safer Jayakeshi Velimpura compound in 1345 when her husband wasassassinated by Mohammedans at present day Chandor. A second wall stoneKannadainscription dated 1396 in the Velim compound marks the death and cremationof? Veenomai-Devi beauty and wife of? Suriya-Deva, slain Sovereign atChandrapurpalace, daughter of Late Purandaraideva,Kadambarasa of Hangal confirms this history. It can be infered from theVeliminscription that Goa Kadamba Suriya-Deva son of Beera, was married to thenearby royal bride who was his distancecousin. Mr. Upadhiaya said.Before adoptingPortuguese Catholicism

Mr. Upadhiaya said.Before adoptingPortuguese Catholicism this Velimpura family’s ancestors had given upworship in their temples for fear of Mohammedan trap, reinvented themselvesas Haliyal timber lords where converted by Orthodox Nasranis of Malabar inearly1400s.Some of the Syrian origin worship items and anointing oilalabastrons saved by Upadhiaya's great grand father and moved to Belgaumafter the 1855 British confiscation of Haliyal compound is convincingevidence. Further, quoting Kannada stone inscriptions on Konkan sea pirateTimu 'enemy turned friend' recovered from present day Haliyal Bus standtell that Timu in those crucial years provided protection for theirancestors in return for timber for his shipbuilding needs had exploitedthis converts fear issue and used Portuguese forces to drive Mohammedansaway and enforced his Timu administration in Goa in 1510. The Portuguese?in a while overpowered Timu and colonizedGoa. It is a well known historical conclusion that this Christianconnection attracted early Jesuits including Francis Xavier to visitVelliapura first for refreshmentbefore traveling inland for conversions, he added.

Prof. Nilkanth Sah Paddaam in this press release said heretoday that a six member delegation headed by Mr. Upadhiaya is leaving forNewDelhi tomorrow to follow up with his memorandum.Dec/2013 Deccan Herald, Press Release/Nilkanth Sah Paddaam,Belgaum.Decan.reporter (talk) 15:55, 1 February 2018 (UTC)