Talk:2024 European Athletics Championships – Women's 400 metres hurdles/GA1

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Nominator: Editør (talk · contribs) 21:16, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Arconning (talk · contribs) 14:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

I will be reviewing this, comments will probably be finished in the next 72 hours! This race was so amazing, I have a soft spot for athletics so I'll review this! Arconning (talk) Arconning (talk) 14:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing the article, I look forward to it. – Editør (talk) 14:32, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

@Editør Here you go! Address the comments and it'll be set. Arconning (talk) 16:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

I believe I have addressed all the issues you raised. – Editør (talk) 18:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

@Editør Sorry if it pinged you a lot, here are my subsequent comments. Arconning (talk) 09:36, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

I have made some additional changes and replied below. – Editør (talk) 13:28, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• Change all of the nationality wikilinks to their respective articles. Example: From wikilinked to Netherlands the nation, link to Netherlands at the 2024 European Athletics Championships.

  The countries in the infobox are generated by the infobox template, so I have left those alone, but I have changed the links in the result tables. The flag still links to the country, the text now links to the country at the 2024 EAC. – Editør (talk) 17:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  You can use "|games = 2024 European Athletics Championships" so that it links to there. Arconning (talk) 09:28, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  Changed. – Editør (talk) 12:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• Italy from 9 to 11 June 2024.[1] , remove the source. Info is sourced in the body.

  I had left this one in, because otherwise the stadium wouldn't have a source reference. I could try and add the stadium somewhere else and add the reference there if you prefer to have no references in the lead, otherwise I think it should stay. – Editør (talk) 17:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  I've removed the source and added another source to the infobox for the stadium. – Editør (talk) 08:37, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

•  Rome, Italy, entry standard, ranking, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, add comma at the end.

  Changed for first two, but I don't think there is a comma after the day with the day-month(-year) date format as it would when the month-day(-year) format is used. – Editør (talk) 17:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• European title from 2022,, replace comma with period/full stop.

  Changed. – Editør (talk) 17:34, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Remove the days in the lead, basically "Sunday" etc. Days are usually omitted unless they're relevant to the article.
  • @Editør: This is all that's needed^^ I think this would pass after this is addressed.

    I had missed this comment earlier. Changed. – Editør (talk) 13:56, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• Bold the records in the records section of the table.

  Changed. – Editør (talk) 17:36, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• No issues on prose or MoS. Pass.

• Add , starting before at 12:40 (UTC+2) in the afternoon..

  Changed. – Editør (talk) 17:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Add comma after startlist.

  Changed. – Editør (talk) 17:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• to the semifinals (q),, replace comma with semicolon.

  Changed. – Editør (talk) 17:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• highest ranked, add hyphen.

  Changed. – Editør (talk) 17:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• athletes set personal bests (PB), add comma at the end.

  Changed; and removed "in round 1" because that no longer works with the comma and is redundant in the section titled "Round 1". – Editør (talk) 17:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• In the table, remove the AthAbbr "q", just type it as "q". Other uses of AthAbbr template is okay.

  In reviews of other articles, I was urged to be somewhat redundant in explaining sport-specific abbreviations, which lead me to explain the most important ones both in the prose and use AthAbbr templates for every use in the tables. Is there a specific reason why you believe the links should go for q and Q in the tables? – Editør (talk) 17:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  Might be a little updated but an example is Swimming at the 2008 Summer Olympics – Men's 100 metre butterfly, it forgoes the Qs but keeps the others. I think this would be the first of a non-marathon event in athletics to be promoted to GA if I'm not mistaken. Arconning (talk) 09:30, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  I don't think there is a swimming equivalent of the AthAbbr template available so that may explain it. And I'm also a bit hesitant to follow this article as an example, because I don't think these tables would pass a GA review today, which you seem to have also noticed. I think I prefer to keep the q's and Q's linked in the article under review here. – Editør (talk) 12:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  Alrighty, no worries.

  r Arconning (talk) 13:53, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• in the semifinals , divided over three heats , add comma at the end.

  Changed. – Editør (talk) 17:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Replace held with starting}}.

  Changed, also added a comma like in Round 1. – Editør (talk) 17:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• seconds;, replace semicolon with comma.

  I think it needs the semicolon, because the clause "In the first heat" only applies to the first part. – Editør (talk) 17:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• In the table, remove the AthAbbr q and Q, just type it as "q" and "Q". Other uses of AthAbbr template is okay.

  See reply for Round 1. – Editør (talk) 17:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• in the category women's sprints, in the category of women's sprints.

  Changed. – Editør (talk) 18:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Add quotes for "women's sprints and hurdles".

  I don't think it needs quotes with the previous addition of "of". What would their function be? – Editør (talk) 18:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• 0.14 seconds later, add comma at the end.

  Changed. – Editør (talk) 18:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Capitalize championships.

  I prefer an uncapitalized descriptive term, so I've changed "these championships" into "this tournament". – Editør (talk) 18:02, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Never seen these types of licensing, though they seem good. Pass.

  I received help with this. – Editør (talk) 18:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Captions are suitable.

• I feel like you have to archive most of the sources before they become dead links.

  Is that a requirement for a good article though? – Editør (talk) 18:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  I mean, archive them but don't put it is alright. As I said, the list is always being updated so the world record might be broken soon and the reference would be outdated. Arconning (talk) 09:31, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  Also source 7 doesn't support the fact that it was a European Leading before the event, as it has been updated with the time in this run. Reference 15 actually supports the claim, so you could use that. Arconning (talk) 09:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  I've changed the sources for the European record, championship record and European lead before the tournament so they are more stable. With regard to archiving I don't think it is required, or necessary: "Links added by editors to the English Wikipedia mainspace are automatically saved to the Wayback Machine within about 24 hours." according to WP:PLRT. – Editør (talk) 12:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  And I've also changed the sources for the world record and world lead. – Editør (talk) 13:27, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• References are from reliable sources.
• I think it would be better if you used a "cite web" template for references 2 to 6, and 9 to 19, then use a "reflist" template on the "References" section. I heavily encourage this, please do.

  I have added a reflist template. I don't like the cite web template, but I don't mind if others want to change it. – Editør (talk) 18:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  Forgot to mention, please turn the commas to periods. Arconning (talk) 09:31, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  I think these comments are about personal preference and not about GA requirements. For the sake of consistency, I've changed the single source reference with periods to commas. – Editør (talk) 13:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  My apologies, CS1 sourcing uses periods, while CS2 uses commas. I forgot that there are different sourcing types on Wikipedia. Your choice. Arconning (talk) 13:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• References 6 to 9, and 11, will be severely outdated in the future once other marks have been introduced as it's always updating with every competition that has completed. Find an archived copy of it that corresponds to the statement, or find another source that claims the statement.

  See earlier question. – Editør (talk) 18:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Would like an answer on why reference 2 is used, would like to know the claim that it's being sourced for.

  It was added as source for the information about the tournament interval (every four years, every two years). – Editør (talk) 18:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Earwig and manual check for copyvio, pass.

• No ongoing edit war, broad enough considering it's about a singular event in the whole Championships, neutral.

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