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Line 985: ::[[User:Hijiri88\|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88\|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88\|やや]]</small>) 23:41, 4 March 2020 (UTC)<small> (expanded 01:14, 5 March 2020 (UTC) )</small> *'''Include''' It was made quite clear in the previous RfC, or maybe even earlier, that there was consensus to include it. It's really important that we don't denude the article of the dominant scholarly opinion. And having read the articles by Ives andSiniawer, I agree that they do not contradict Yuriko Sato. Saying that Ives and Siniawer dispute the Buddhist word origin of mottainai is completely false, and that has already been thoroughly demonstrated elsewhere on this talk page. [[User:Challenger.rebecca\|Challenger.rebecca]] ([[User talk:Challenger.rebecca\|talk]]) 05:14, 5 March 2020 (UTC) == Other specialist sources? == Does anyone have access to Masaru Tajima's ''"Mottainashi", "mottai" kō: "Katakoto" o yomu''[https://bibdb.ninjal.ac.jp/bunken/en/article/100000111001][https://dl.ndl.go.jp/info:ndljp/pid/7901044]? Or to the Yasukazu Takenaka's ''Mottainai to iu koto'' (the source consulted by Hasegawa for Noma's statement on the matter? I'd be very much interested in seeing what they wrote; Hasegawa/Takenaka attribute to Noma the claim that ''mottainashi'' originated as slang during the Kamakura period ("これが鎌倉時代からの俗語であることを教わった"), which would seem to contradict the claim of [https:https://www.search.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Mottainai&oldid=824295491#Origins our original article] that it originates in Buddhist philosophy and a deep-ingrained respect for the value of things, surviving [https:https://www.search.com.vn/wiki/index.php?lang=en&q=Mottainai&oldid=943819378#Etymology,_usage,_and_translation now] in the text {{tq\|''Mottainai originated as a Buddhist term, though this fact is not common knowledge even in Japan. The word later become connected to the Shinto concept that all objects have souls.''}} (Moreover, this claim is apparently contradicted by a number of the basic tenets of Buddhism,[https://books.google.co.jp/books?id=9jRBDgAAQBAJ&pg=PT117&lpg=PT117&dq=%22Buddhism%22+%22value+of+things%22&source=bl&ots=Kkt-shHZ1z&sig=ACfU3U3uPCSmoKJMA5TXGTf6N28zwneCIQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj86N2_zoLoAhVlyosBHcptDzgQ6AEwC3oECAcQAQ#v=onepage&q=%22if%20no%20things%20exist%2C%20it%20is%20at%20the%20very%20least%20difficult%20to%20see%20how%20one%20could%20refer%20to%20the%20intrinsic%20value%20of%20things%22&f=false] but let's not get into that.) [[User:Hijiri88\|Hijiri 88]] (<small>[[User talk:Hijiri88\|聖]][[Special:Contributions/Hijiri88\|やや]]</small>) 05:40, 5 March 2020 (UTC)