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*'''Option 3''' and the only reason I'm not going straight to 4 is that 4 should be reserved for the worst of the worst. The false conflation of criticism of Israel and antisemitism has poisoned discourse about Israeli war crimes for years. [[User:Daveosaurus|Daveosaurus]] ([[User talk:Daveosaurus|talk]]) 05:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Option 3''' but ok with '''Option 4''' – ADL's entire premise of existence is use accusations of antisemitism as a tool to fight for zionism and defend the zionist project. In particular, ADL [https://inthesetimes.com/article/anti-defamation-league-civil-rights-facebook-hate-speech-palestine-bds particularly targets Black, Muslim, and Arab] people and accuses them of antisemitism for doing the most banal things such as waving a Palestinian flag or calling for a free Palestine. It ironically saves some of most vehement ire for Jewish people. ADL labels as anti-semitic anyone who dares to point out any evil done by a Zionist person or a Zionist institution, no matter how real and plain to see. ADL doesn't even care about antisemiticism and only cares to defend zionism at any cost, even at the cost of Jewish lives. ADL cannot be trusted at all on the topic of antisemitism because its support for zionism is so strong that ADL support clear racist anti-semites simply because they support zionism. ---&nbsp;[[User talk:Coffeeandcrumbs|<span style="color:blue;">C</span>]]&amp;[[Special:Contributions/Coffeeandcrumbs|<span style="color:#663366;">C</span>&nbsp;(]][[User:Coffeeandcrumbs|Coffeeandcrumbs]]) 23:04, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Option 3''' per the [https://www.thenation.com/article/society/adl-israel-criticism-antisemitism-claims/ source] K.e.coffman cites, which shows that many ADL claims about antisemitism are about Israel-Palestine. We now have a GUNREL consensus for the ADL on the latter topic, and evidence that it’s intertwined with their coverage of antisemitism, so the latter seems generally unreliable to me as well. [[User:Innisfree987|Innisfree987]] ([[User talk:Innisfree987|talk]]) 00:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

*'''Option 3.''' It is clear that they are wildly biased and unreliable in relation to Israel/Palestine, but this has already been litigated. Outside of their positions regarding Zionism, the ADL [https://foreignpolicy.com/2010/05/24/israels-most-illicit-affair/ propagandized against Nelson Mandela and defended the 1983 SA constitutional reform that further disenfranchised black people], [https://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/19/us/19genocide.html strongly denied the Armenian genocide and lobbied against its recognition in order to protect Turkish cooperation with Israel] (imagine if an organization vocally denied the Holocaust and slammed against recognizing it to protect an alliance), and has a [https://www.thenation.com/article/society/adl-israel-criticism-antisemitism-claims/ history of espionage]. Furthermore, as argued above, many people credibly accused of antisemitism (e.g. Donald Trump or Elon Musk) are ignored or even praised by the ADL if they support Israel. [[User:GLORIOUSEXISTENCE|GLORIOUSEXISTENCE]] ([[User talk:GLORIOUSEXISTENCE|talk]]) 02:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)