Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2023 April: Difference between revisions

* '''[[:Hindu terrorism]]''' – In this move review, the community considers whether ModernDayTrilobite's very articulate and well-explained close really reflects what the community said. Arguably it doesn't, and many editors -- too many good faith editors to disregard -- feel that this close reduces to MDT's opinion in a hat box. I have to say that the close can't stand as written. I think that's a pity, because it ''is'' a very clear close that comes with a commendably detailed explanation of its basis in policy. It was a non-admin close, and yet I wish that more admin closes looked like that.{{pb}}The article we're considering was previously called "Saffron terror", which is a problematic title for several reasons that are well-explained in the move discussion that MDT closed. It has been moved to "Hindu terror", which is also problematic for other reasons that are also well-explained.{{pb}}The community hasn't coalesced around one of the options here, and I think that's because none of the choices is really satisfactory. The actual subject of the article is terrorism committed by Hindu nationalist groups in India in the 21st century. The challenge here is to find a pithy title that encapsulates this in a neutral, non-partisan way that isn't totally opaque to people who aren't Indian. We need new ideas about this.{{pb}}I seriously considered overturning to relist, and I'm not going to do that, because it sends us back to the old choice between the two unsatisfactory titles. We've already had that conversation and we know it doesn't go anywhere helpful. Therefore we know we need to go back to the article talk page and come up with some better names.{{pb}}From this discussion we already know some of the characteristics a satisfactory article title would have. We know that it has to encapsulate that these are Hindu ''nationalists'' -- "Hindu terrorism", read naively, implies forced conversion of Muslims, Sikhs, Buddhists and Jains; whereas these terrorists' motives are political rather than religious. It's also unsatisfactory to ascribe terrorist acts to a spice or a colour.{{pb}}If the article talk page discussion stalls or becomes stagnant, then I would suggest beginning a Request for Comment to ask previously uninvolved users to help workshop satisfactory titles. I'm ''not'' going to revert the move in the meantime, because that's unproductive when the community doesn't love Saffron Terror as a title either.{{pb}}I haven't given you a word in bold, and this is intentional. This outcome is neither "endorse", nor "overturn", nor "relist". I haven't selected ''any'' of the options from the menu at [[Wikipedia:Move reviews#Closing reviews]] because none of them resolve the problem in this case. Instead I'm providing a [[narrative verdict]]. MDT's close does ''not'' stand, but it falls forward instead of falling back: all the optionsarticle titles suggested so far are unsatisfactory, so please, go back to the talk page and come up with other possible titles for this article.—[[User:S Marshall|<b style="font-family: Verdana; color: Maroon;">S&nbsp;Marshall</b>]]&nbsp;<small>[[User talk:S Marshall|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/S Marshall|C]]</small> 23:45, 29 April 2023 (UTC) <!--*-->